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You're allergic to facts. Whenever I use them you blank out the entire section. Note how you never ask if anyone wants you to help, or what they'd rather you d

by wnight 15y ago

You're allergic to facts. Whenever I use them you blank out the entire section. Note how you never ask if anyone wants you to help, or what they'd rather you did to help. All you do is harp on this supposed help you provide whenever anyone points out a problem you caused. Your country has killed millions in wars of aggression. That cancels out the good you accidentally do while fighting dictators you've installed. Some good is being done but it's not your primary intent. How many roads do you think you'd have to build to cancel out the drone-guided bombing on an entire wedding party? If someone killed your family, how big of a check would they have to hand you before you agreed it was a good thing? You might want to think about how "But I ended up helping some people" is not a defense against murder - a crime your country commits at an average rate of 500+/day in the Middle-East.

diogenescynic 15y ago
Go get some mental help for your own sake. I'm not allergic to facts you just haven't cited any and you're still avoiding answering my original question. Why are we in Afghanistan? 9/11. Why are we flying drones? Because your governments are corrupt/inept and incapable of eliminating terrorists. Any innocents who have died are collateral damage. Your country should have done a better job of preventing terrorists like Osama Bin Laden from launching attachs at the US. Remember before 9/11 we weren't attacking you, until you killed 3,000 civilians (including American Muslims). You only have yourselves to blame. "Your country has killed millions in wars of aggression." Cite this please? This is where I stop responding since your argument is based on the fantasies/voices in your head and not on facts/reality. You clearly have made up your mind that America=evil, but you still can't even answer if America is so bad, who is any better? And if you can't offer up any country that does more good, then just be grateful and say "thanks". You are welcome.
- wnight 15y ago
  BTW Your quotes are unclear. > I'm not allergic to facts you just haven't cited any Right. I've only mentioned them and left it to you to do some research. >> "Your country has killed millions in wars of aggression." > Cite this please? Okay, but next time will you try to look it up first? Estimates of deaths in Iraq due to the war are up to 1.5M: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq That's more than one million so technically I can stop there, but In the Philippine-American war between .6 and 1.4M died: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Philippine%E2... Then consider Vietnam, the American Indian wars, etc > You clearly have made up your mind that America=evil Just those of you who support unjust war (murder). You've clearly decided you must justify all their actions. > but you still can't even answer if America is so bad, who is any better? Anyone not fighting unjust wars. Anyone who doesn't murder innocents on false pretenses. One unjust killing is too many. You can't fall back on past deeds (especially when they're largely propaganda) to justify current atrocities. Nobody cares if your grandfather was selfless (newsflash, he wasn't - see the Philippines/American war) when you clearly are not.
  - diogenescynic 15y ago
    You won't cite facts because you can't cite them using any reliable sources. Your examples are from HUNDREDS of years ago. A little out of date no? You're just pathetically complaining about America while you're here reaping the benefits. Why not move if the USA is so bad? As anamax says: while it's clear that America is far from perfect, it's unclear who, if anyone, is anywhere near as close. Suggestions? (Note - the answer has to have significant capacity. Otherwise I'll nominate some random church group in Texas. Come to think of it, random US church groups do more good than most countries.) Until you've got something better, the appropriate response is "thank you".
    - wnight 15y ago
      > Your examples are from HUNDREDS of years ago. One example was from a current war, another from fifty years ago, another from one-hundred years ago, and the last from two-hundred or more. It shows a pattern. > A little out of date no? What's the statute of limitations on murder? > Until you've got something better, the appropriate response is "thank you". How about "No, thank you"? You're in Iraq under false pretenses, and in Afghanistan on unsound reasoning. I don't know what you think you're achieving but nobody wants it, so knock it off. If you're asked for help, as you have been by Egyptians, Syrians, etc, then by all means, you should expect thanks after - if you'd actually go help that is. This is the fundamental problem - you're looking out for yourselves and you don't see anything in it for you. Fair enough I guess, but then you've got to stop pretending to be everyone's buddy. > You're just pathetically complaining about America while you're here reaping the benefits. Why don't you go to Iraq and demand thanks for the benefits you've given them. > it's unclear who, if anyone, is anywhere near as close [to perfect as America] You'd have to be psychotic to suggest otherwise! > random US church groups do more good than most countries In that they rarely kill people, yes. By merely being mostly harmless they come in far above (almost?) all countries. Of course they'd do a lot more good if they just fed people instead of indoctrinating them.
      - diogenescynic 15y ago
        "Why don't you go to Iraq and demand thanks for the benefits you've given them" We don't get any oil from Iraq. Here are America's 4 largest suppliers: Canada is #1 Saudi Arabia is #2 Mexico is #3 Venezuela is #4 Absolutely nothing you've said makes any sense because you're cherry picking your examples and being completely unreasonable. We also fought the Civil War, WWI/II, Philippines (who last time I was there were quite fond of Americans), created Israel, stopped genocide in Kosovo, Korea (look at N.Korea and tell me the USA's actions were pointless), Vietnam. We pressured Mubarak also... And like I pointed out the United States has always been the world's largest donor: The biggest portion of U.S. aid goes to Iraq ($4.27 billion), Afghanistan ($1.46 billion), Sudan ($725 million), Colombia ($562 million), Egypt ($541 million), Nigeria ($514 million), Democratic Republic of Congo ($486 million) and Pakistan ($465 million). (Figures are for Gross Bilateral Official Development Assistance, 2006-2007 average). Yes we have messed up a few times, but we've gotten it right more often than not and you still count point out an example of anyone else doing it better. You don't live in reality. The Syrians do not want US intervention, that is bullshit and like I already pointed out--we're already "liberating" three other Muslim countries and that isn't going out so well. --- Where are you from that is so great? And you might want to go get some help for your True Believer Syndrome. It must be painful to have to live in a country you hate so much. If so, why not move? Why are you here? You clearly hate America, so why stay? --- So...while it's clear that America is far from perfect, it's unclear who, if anyone, is anywhere near as close. Suggestions? (Note - the answer has to have significant capacity. Otherwise I'll nominate some random church group in Texas. Come to think of it, random US church groups do more good than most countries.) Until you've got something better, the appropriate response is "thank you". --- Oh and you're welcome for the freedom our country extends to you because if you were living wherever you came from I'm doubtful your own government would extend the same freedoms.

by wnight 15y ago

diogenescynic 15y ago

Go get some mental help for your own sake. I'm not allergic to facts you just haven't cited any and you're still avoiding answering my original question. Why are we in Afghanistan? 9/11. Why are we flying drones? Because your governments are corrupt/inept and incapable of eliminating terrorists. Any innocents who have died are collateral damage. Your country should have done a better job of preventing terrorists like Osama Bin Laden from launching attachs at the US. Remember before 9/11 we weren't attacking you, until you killed 3,000 civilians (including American Muslims). You only have yourselves to blame. "Your country has killed millions in wars of aggression." Cite this please? This is where I stop responding since your argument is based on the fantasies/voices in your head and not on facts/reality. You clearly have made up your mind that America=evil, but you still can't even answer if America is so bad, who is any better? And if you can't offer up any country that does more good, then just be grateful and say "thanks". You are welcome.

wnight 15y ago
BTW Your quotes are unclear. > I'm not allergic to facts you just haven't cited any Right. I've only mentioned them and left it to you to do some research. >> "Your country has killed millions in wars of aggression." > Cite this please? Okay, but next time will you try to look it up first? Estimates of deaths in Iraq due to the war are up to 1.5M: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq That's more than one million so technically I can stop there, but In the Philippine-American war between .6 and 1.4M died: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Philippine%E2... Then consider Vietnam, the American Indian wars, etc > You clearly have made up your mind that America=evil Just those of you who support unjust war (murder). You've clearly decided you must justify all their actions. > but you still can't even answer if America is so bad, who is any better? Anyone not fighting unjust wars. Anyone who doesn't murder innocents on false pretenses. One unjust killing is too many. You can't fall back on past deeds (especially when they're largely propaganda) to justify current atrocities. Nobody cares if your grandfather was selfless (newsflash, he wasn't - see the Philippines/American war) when you clearly are not.
- diogenescynic 15y ago
  You won't cite facts because you can't cite them using any reliable sources. Your examples are from HUNDREDS of years ago. A little out of date no? You're just pathetically complaining about America while you're here reaping the benefits. Why not move if the USA is so bad? As anamax says: while it's clear that America is far from perfect, it's unclear who, if anyone, is anywhere near as close. Suggestions? (Note - the answer has to have significant capacity. Otherwise I'll nominate some random church group in Texas. Come to think of it, random US church groups do more good than most countries.) Until you've got something better, the appropriate response is "thank you".
  - wnight 15y ago
    > Your examples are from HUNDREDS of years ago. One example was from a current war, another from fifty years ago, another from one-hundred years ago, and the last from two-hundred or more. It shows a pattern. > A little out of date no? What's the statute of limitations on murder? > Until you've got something better, the appropriate response is "thank you". How about "No, thank you"? You're in Iraq under false pretenses, and in Afghanistan on unsound reasoning. I don't know what you think you're achieving but nobody wants it, so knock it off. If you're asked for help, as you have been by Egyptians, Syrians, etc, then by all means, you should expect thanks after - if you'd actually go help that is. This is the fundamental problem - you're looking out for yourselves and you don't see anything in it for you. Fair enough I guess, but then you've got to stop pretending to be everyone's buddy. > You're just pathetically complaining about America while you're here reaping the benefits. Why don't you go to Iraq and demand thanks for the benefits you've given them. > it's unclear who, if anyone, is anywhere near as close [to perfect as America] You'd have to be psychotic to suggest otherwise! > random US church groups do more good than most countries In that they rarely kill people, yes. By merely being mostly harmless they come in far above (almost?) all countries. Of course they'd do a lot more good if they just fed people instead of indoctrinating them.
    - diogenescynic 15y ago
      "Why don't you go to Iraq and demand thanks for the benefits you've given them" We don't get any oil from Iraq. Here are America's 4 largest suppliers: Canada is #1 Saudi Arabia is #2 Mexico is #3 Venezuela is #4 Absolutely nothing you've said makes any sense because you're cherry picking your examples and being completely unreasonable. We also fought the Civil War, WWI/II, Philippines (who last time I was there were quite fond of Americans), created Israel, stopped genocide in Kosovo, Korea (look at N.Korea and tell me the USA's actions were pointless), Vietnam. We pressured Mubarak also... And like I pointed out the United States has always been the world's largest donor: The biggest portion of U.S. aid goes to Iraq ($4.27 billion), Afghanistan ($1.46 billion), Sudan ($725 million), Colombia ($562 million), Egypt ($541 million), Nigeria ($514 million), Democratic Republic of Congo ($486 million) and Pakistan ($465 million). (Figures are for Gross Bilateral Official Development Assistance, 2006-2007 average). Yes we have messed up a few times, but we've gotten it right more often than not and you still count point out an example of anyone else doing it better. You don't live in reality. The Syrians do not want US intervention, that is bullshit and like I already pointed out--we're already "liberating" three other Muslim countries and that isn't going out so well. --- Where are you from that is so great? And you might want to go get some help for your True Believer Syndrome. It must be painful to have to live in a country you hate so much. If so, why not move? Why are you here? You clearly hate America, so why stay? --- So...while it's clear that America is far from perfect, it's unclear who, if anyone, is anywhere near as close. Suggestions? (Note - the answer has to have significant capacity. Otherwise I'll nominate some random church group in Texas. Come to think of it, random US church groups do more good than most countries.) Until you've got something better, the appropriate response is "thank you". --- Oh and you're welcome for the freedom our country extends to you because if you were living wherever you came from I'm doubtful your own government would extend the same freedoms.