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Women and Minorities Are Penalized for Promoting Diversity https://hbr.org/2016/03/women-and-minorities-are-penalized-for-promoting-diversity https://hbr.org/2

by 99_00 5y ago

Women and Minorities Are Penalized for Promoting Diversity https://hbr.org/2016/03/women-and-minorities-are-penalized-for-promoting-diversity https://hbr.org/2016/03/women-and-minorities-are-penalized-f...

0x737368 5y ago
Yeah, please don't post these piece of crap blogposts with such strong wording that "women and minorities *ARE* penalised". For a forum that requests scientific rigour for sometimes even the most trivial claims, HN really does let these affirmative posts get away without any scrutiny. No doubt ONLY because of fear of being labeled a racist/sexist/x-ist. The blog post takes some very controversial claims and tries to pass it off as facts: - "We know that in the U.S., there is still a power and status gap between men and women and between whites and nonwhites." - the gap between men and women can and has been explained by choice of profession, seniority, temperamental differences. Same thing with nonwhites, if you're an immigrant from Mexico or a brother from the ghetto, for sure you'll have a harder time than Ivy league educated kid from the suburbs. It doesn't have to be sexism and racism respectively. Now I'm just throwing sh*t against the wall and seeing what sticks, but maybe colleagues just don't appreciate when someone takes up work time with their social justice agendas instead of working. I recall several months ago there was a link to a blogpost suggesting that blacks are being ignored during meetings due to racism. OR, maybe they just happen to have nothing worthwhile to say? How do we know? How do we determine? It seems in the current political climate, we don't need to, with accusations of racism you're always guilty until proven innocent and it's up to you to prove it otherwise(good luck proving a negative). I know that a few times when I spoke up in meetings I was ignored. Why? Because on those occasions I had nothing of value to add, but maybe I should find an x-ism cause and write accusatory blogposts to champion it. I'm not claiming that racism/sexism/unfair discrimination based on arbitrary features don't exist. They do. But sometimes you're not doing well not because you're discriminated, but because you're not good enough for one reason or another. Being accused of crimes one didn't commit and put into prison by a systemically corrupt institution - racism(true story too, happened to Allen Iverson). Not doing well at something? Maybe sometimes it's worth to examine what YOU can do instead of jumping to the racist/sexist card to absolve yourself of all personal responsibility for your failures.
- throwaway77112 5y ago
  Google, Uber, Coinbase, Basecamp, HN's own pg - they were all in news because of racism and/or sexism.
- 99_00 5y ago
  The "piece of crap blogpost" details their data and methodology and gives a link to the published paper that the "piece of crab blogpost" is about. Because you aren't attacking data or methodology I have to assume your post reflects more issues you are struggling with than issues raised by the paper. Of course, I'm sure the data and methodology have flaws or need further research. It's not within my skillset to judge it. But these things are almost never perfect or the end all. https://journals.aom.org/doi/abs/10.5465/amj.2014.0538 https://journals.aom.org/doi/abs/10.5465/amj.2014.0538
- dang 5y ago
  HN doesn't "request scientific rigour". If you imagine something like that, of course you're going to find reams of counterexamples. That's not because other people are being inconsistent, it's because you imagined something untrue.

by 99_00 5y ago

0x737368 5y ago

Yeah, please don't post these piece of crap blogposts with such strong wording that "women and minorities *ARE* penalised". For a forum that requests scientific rigour for sometimes even the most trivial claims, HN really does let these affirmative posts get away without any scrutiny. No doubt ONLY because of fear of being labeled a racist/sexist/x-ist. The blog post takes some very controversial claims and tries to pass it off as facts: - "We know that in the U.S., there is still a power and status gap between men and women and between whites and nonwhites." - the gap between men and women can and has been explained by choice of profession, seniority, temperamental differences. Same thing with nonwhites, if you're an immigrant from Mexico or a brother from the ghetto, for sure you'll have a harder time than Ivy league educated kid from the suburbs. It doesn't have to be sexism and racism respectively. Now I'm just throwing sh*t against the wall and seeing what sticks, but maybe colleagues just don't appreciate when someone takes up work time with their social justice agendas instead of working. I recall several months ago there was a link to a blogpost suggesting that blacks are being ignored during meetings due to racism. OR, maybe they just happen to have nothing worthwhile to say? How do we know? How do we determine? It seems in the current political climate, we don't need to, with accusations of racism you're always guilty until proven innocent and it's up to you to prove it otherwise(good luck proving a negative). I know that a few times when I spoke up in meetings I was ignored. Why? Because on those occasions I had nothing of value to add, but maybe I should find an x-ism cause and write accusatory blogposts to champion it. I'm not claiming that racism/sexism/unfair discrimination based on arbitrary features don't exist. They do. But sometimes you're not doing well not because you're discriminated, but because you're not good enough for one reason or another. Being accused of crimes one didn't commit and put into prison by a systemically corrupt institution - racism(true story too, happened to Allen Iverson). Not doing well at something? Maybe sometimes it's worth to examine what YOU can do instead of jumping to the racist/sexist card to absolve yourself of all personal responsibility for your failures.

throwaway77112 5y ago
Google, Uber, Coinbase, Basecamp, HN's own pg - they were all in news because of racism and/or sexism.
99_00 5y ago
The "piece of crap blogpost" details their data and methodology and gives a link to the published paper that the "piece of crab blogpost" is about. Because you aren't attacking data or methodology I have to assume your post reflects more issues you are struggling with than issues raised by the paper. Of course, I'm sure the data and methodology have flaws or need further research. It's not within my skillset to judge it. But these things are almost never perfect or the end all. https://journals.aom.org/doi/abs/10.5465/amj.2014.0538 https://journals.aom.org/doi/abs/10.5465/amj.2014.0538
dang 5y ago
HN doesn't "request scientific rigour". If you imagine something like that, of course you're going to find reams of counterexamples. That's not because other people are being inconsistent, it's because you imagined something untrue.