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The media is so disappointing these days. A lot of people don't remember this, but the mainstream media outlets were actually playing down the coronavirus pande

The media is so disappointing these days. A lot of people don't remember this, but the mainstream media outlets were actually playing down the coronavirus pandemic at the start. Then they attacked the travel ban to China. Then did a complete U-turn. Pelosi was dancing in the streets of Chinatown San Francisco to prove how safe and not racist she is. It seemed like they hated Trump and would fight anything he did. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/time-for-a-reality-check-america-the-flu-is-a-much-bigger-threat-than-coronavirus-for-now/2020/01/31/46a15166-4444-11ea-b5fc-eefa848cde99_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/time-for-a-reality-che... https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/03/why-we-should-be-wary-an-aggressive-government-response-coronavirus/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/03/why-we-sho... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-stigma-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/29/800813299/worried-about-catching-the-new-coronavirus-in-the-u-s-flu-is-a-bigger-threat https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/29/8008132... I saw a viral clip of the Kayleigh McEnany pointing out this hypocrisy and the immediate response as she dropped the mic and walked off was someone in the press shouting "you were prepared for that!". No shit she was prepared for that? That's her job? How is that a bad thing? Oh, because your gotcha question didn't work. Ridiculous.

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
This last year alone has made me lose more faith in the democratic party and the media altogether. Not only did they push a radical agenda with retribution, they did it like religious people used to do centuries ago. Don't challenge the status quo or face reprecussions (fine, demobilization, banned). Now egg on their faces.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  The media, the left, and big tech are all clearly working on the same agenda.
  - HKH2 5y ago
    I can't see any other explanation for why YouTube would give its supposed competitors, the legacy media, prime spots on its site.
newaccount2021 5y ago
you have to understand, all of the Orange Checkmarks of HN are Democrat cultists
defaultname 5y ago
None of the articles you cite demonstrate what you seem to think they do. When the number of cases was minuscule, the threat to Americans was low and those articles were spot on: Keep vigilant, get your flu shot, but don't stress too much yet. Citing Pelosi visiting San Francisco (at a time when there were zero cases in the region, but a growing number of anti-Asian hate crimes) again doesn't make a point to any reasonable person. These claims speak only to zealots. More critically, you have a higher standard of every random article in every newspaper than you do of agencies actually responsible. Which is truly dystopian. Speaking of which, Trump's "travel ban" (that wasn't a travel ban) was the single action taken after the virus was already spreading uncontrolled in NY, Washington State, and Europe. It did nothing to restrict US citizens traveling to and from the affected areas unrestrained, which thousands continued to do, even if we believed it would be remotely effective at that point. It did nothing for testing or tracing. It was the laziest, least-effort action possible. And to be clear, long after all of these things, Trump declared that the number of cases would soon be 0. He made similar "nothingburger" comments for months. But you find issue with the media. Incredible.
- Moodles 5y ago
  > More critically, you have a higher standard of every random article in every newspaper than you do of agencies actually responsible. Which is truly dystopian. > But you find issue with the media. > Incredible. The HN topic is about the media, so I'm talking about the media. > Speaking of which, Trump's "travel ban" (that wasn't a travel ban) was the single action taken after the virus was already spreading uncontrolled in NY, Washington State, and Europe. It did nothing to restrict US citizens traveling to and from the affected areas unrestrained, which thousands continued to do, even if we believed it would be remotely effective at that point I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out media hypocrisy. What did they do? Call the travel ban racist. Their behaviour has been very partisan, often at the expense of the truth. Exhibit A: the lab leak theory in the OP.
  - defaultname 5y ago
    There is zero disguising the intent of your comment. The bit about Pelosi "dancing" was particularly telling. There are a number of other replies that come straight from MAGA-verse, full of outrageous lies but that is where US politics are right now. The US had a catastrophically poor response under the prior administration. That wasn't because of the media. It wasn't because of Nancy Pelosi. It wasn't because people dismissed theories by racists and imbeciles (the "lab leak" theory was overwhelmingly put forward by the absolute slugs of humanity, so there isn't a lot of surprise that it got smeared along with it, however unfortunate). This whole "see, we wuz right!" thing is a bit bizarre given that no, people didn't ignore evidence early on. They ignored a theory based upon literally nothing, generally put forward by people arguing that it was somehow weaponized and intentional. If there is evidence it should be pursued, but that doesn't give credence to hysterical conspiracies. Again, it is remarkable reading your comment and then understanding that you're decrying "partisan" positions. It goes beyond irony.
TchoBeer 5y ago
>Pelosi was dancing in the streets of Chinatown San Francisco to prove how safe and not racist she is. Maybe it's just me, but I can't find this. Can you send a link?
- Moodles 5y ago
  Not surprised you can't find it. I feel as if it would have been easier to find had the other side done it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK8P8FQWozA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK8P8FQWozA
- thrav 5y ago
  Here it is: https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pelosi-san-francisco-coronavirus-fears/5964696/ https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pelosi-san-francisco-coron... Not exactly dancing in the streets, but definitely encouraging people not to fear.
XorNot 5y ago
> Pelosi was dancing in the streets of Chinatown San Francisco to prove how safe and not racist she is. Why does this keep coming up? This was literally a problem at the time: a pandemic in China was resulting in a huge amount of local racism and ostracism of American Chinese descendants and expats, people who, by you know, being in a completely different country, weren't somehow magically more dangerous then anyone else. The absolute most racist and non-sensical reaction people had to COVID-19 was to immediately decide that local asian people were immediately dangerous viral vectors.
- Moodles 5y ago
  You know what else was a bigger problem at the time? The coronavirus.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    This might shock the shit out of you, but people are capable of addressing more than one issue in any given day.
    - AbrahamParangi 5y ago
      But they didn't, which is the point.
    - Moodles 5y ago
      No that does not shock me. But the point is that one strategy can be good for one goal but bad for another. Going around Chinatown and encouraging the populous to do the same "to combat racism" is obviously at odds with "be careful and social distance due to covid". Does that shock the shit out of you? I'll be honest as well, I think Pelosi's real motive there is to do the opposite of what Trump wants, rather than combat any racism, but that's just my personal opinion. Maybe she genuinely wanted to combat racism, I don't know, I'm not inside her head. But it's a terrible strategy to combat covid.
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argonaut 5y ago
I'm not disappointed the media got Covid wrong at various points in time. Most people got Covid wrong at the beginning. And almost everyone, including me, has had a bad Covid take at least once. I didn't see Covid coming. And if someone really saw it coming, they could have made thousands/millions shorting the stock market (and some people did). Point is, I don't view this as grounds to attack the media. I do find it disappointing that the media is usually not willing to admit their mistakes, and usually doesn't do a good job at expressing scientific uncertainty.

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago

This last year alone has made me lose more faith in the democratic party and the media altogether. Not only did they push a radical agenda with retribution, they did it like religious people used to do centuries ago. Don't challenge the status quo or face reprecussions (fine, demobilization, banned). Now egg on their faces.

throwawayboise 5y ago
The media, the left, and big tech are all clearly working on the same agenda.
- HKH2 5y ago
  I can't see any other explanation for why YouTube would give its supposed competitors, the legacy media, prime spots on its site.

newaccount2021 5y ago

you have to understand, all of the Orange Checkmarks of HN are Democrat cultists

defaultname 5y ago

None of the articles you cite demonstrate what you seem to think they do. When the number of cases was minuscule, the threat to Americans was low and those articles were spot on: Keep vigilant, get your flu shot, but don't stress too much yet. Citing Pelosi visiting San Francisco (at a time when there were zero cases in the region, but a growing number of anti-Asian hate crimes) again doesn't make a point to any reasonable person. These claims speak only to zealots. More critically, you have a higher standard of every random article in every newspaper than you do of agencies actually responsible. Which is truly dystopian. Speaking of which, Trump's "travel ban" (that wasn't a travel ban) was the single action taken after the virus was already spreading uncontrolled in NY, Washington State, and Europe. It did nothing to restrict US citizens traveling to and from the affected areas unrestrained, which thousands continued to do, even if we believed it would be remotely effective at that point. It did nothing for testing or tracing. It was the laziest, least-effort action possible. And to be clear, long after all of these things, Trump declared that the number of cases would soon be 0. He made similar "nothingburger" comments for months. But you find issue with the media. Incredible.

Moodles 5y ago
> More critically, you have a higher standard of every random article in every newspaper than you do of agencies actually responsible. Which is truly dystopian. > But you find issue with the media. > Incredible. The HN topic is about the media, so I'm talking about the media. > Speaking of which, Trump's "travel ban" (that wasn't a travel ban) was the single action taken after the virus was already spreading uncontrolled in NY, Washington State, and Europe. It did nothing to restrict US citizens traveling to and from the affected areas unrestrained, which thousands continued to do, even if we believed it would be remotely effective at that point I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out media hypocrisy. What did they do? Call the travel ban racist. Their behaviour has been very partisan, often at the expense of the truth. Exhibit A: the lab leak theory in the OP.
- defaultname 5y ago
  There is zero disguising the intent of your comment. The bit about Pelosi "dancing" was particularly telling. There are a number of other replies that come straight from MAGA-verse, full of outrageous lies but that is where US politics are right now. The US had a catastrophically poor response under the prior administration. That wasn't because of the media. It wasn't because of Nancy Pelosi. It wasn't because people dismissed theories by racists and imbeciles (the "lab leak" theory was overwhelmingly put forward by the absolute slugs of humanity, so there isn't a lot of surprise that it got smeared along with it, however unfortunate). This whole "see, we wuz right!" thing is a bit bizarre given that no, people didn't ignore evidence early on. They ignored a theory based upon literally nothing, generally put forward by people arguing that it was somehow weaponized and intentional. If there is evidence it should be pursued, but that doesn't give credence to hysterical conspiracies. Again, it is remarkable reading your comment and then understanding that you're decrying "partisan" positions. It goes beyond irony.

TchoBeer 5y ago

>Pelosi was dancing in the streets of Chinatown San Francisco to prove how safe and not racist she is. Maybe it's just me, but I can't find this. Can you send a link?

Moodles 5y ago
Not surprised you can't find it. I feel as if it would have been easier to find had the other side done it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK8P8FQWozA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK8P8FQWozA
thrav 5y ago
Here it is: https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pelosi-san-francisco-coronavirus-fears/5964696/ https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pelosi-san-francisco-coron... Not exactly dancing in the streets, but definitely encouraging people not to fear.

XorNot 5y ago

> Pelosi was dancing in the streets of Chinatown San Francisco to prove how safe and not racist she is. Why does this keep coming up? This was literally a problem at the time: a pandemic in China was resulting in a huge amount of local racism and ostracism of American Chinese descendants and expats, people who, by you know, being in a completely different country, weren't somehow magically more dangerous then anyone else. The absolute most racist and non-sensical reaction people had to COVID-19 was to immediately decide that local asian people were immediately dangerous viral vectors.

Moodles 5y ago
You know what else was a bigger problem at the time? The coronavirus.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  This might shock the shit out of you, but people are capable of addressing more than one issue in any given day.
  - AbrahamParangi 5y ago
    But they didn't, which is the point.
  - Moodles 5y ago
    No that does not shock me. But the point is that one strategy can be good for one goal but bad for another. Going around Chinatown and encouraging the populous to do the same "to combat racism" is obviously at odds with "be careful and social distance due to covid". Does that shock the shit out of you? I'll be honest as well, I think Pelosi's real motive there is to do the opposite of what Trump wants, rather than combat any racism, but that's just my personal opinion. Maybe she genuinely wanted to combat racism, I don't know, I'm not inside her head. But it's a terrible strategy to combat covid.
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argonaut 5y ago

I'm not disappointed the media got Covid wrong at various points in time. Most people got Covid wrong at the beginning. And almost everyone, including me, has had a bad Covid take at least once. I didn't see Covid coming. And if someone really saw it coming, they could have made thousands/millions shorting the stock market (and some people did). Point is, I don't view this as grounds to attack the media. I do find it disappointing that the media is usually not willing to admit their mistakes, and usually doesn't do a good job at expressing scientific uncertainty.