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> Citizen does moderate comments, but "two people having an argument about whether or not someone’s comment is racist drives engagement," LOL, my publicist doe

> Citizen does moderate comments, but "two people having an argument about whether or not someone’s comment is racist drives engagement," LOL, my publicist does this on linkedin and other places for us because people are gullible. Source article: Executive of <Company> does a thing 0 engagement, nobody knows Social Media version: [First] <Race> Executive of <Company> does a thing 15,000 comments, 2 million reach, supporters and detractors argue with each other on the headline creating more engagement. Messages role in. Its perfect and yes we think you are all dumb. Always remember who is shaking the bottle that you’re inside of.

imwillofficial 5y ago
I don’t know who is shaking the bottle, all I know is those fire ants are going down!
- vmception 5y ago
  Black ants just have to make everything about the fire ants huh!
jkr42 5y ago
Must be nice, actively exploiting human nature and then calling the humans dumb and gullible for having said nature and falling for your exploitation. Absolves you of any liability for being no better than a troll because what, you’re smarter than everyone else, I guess? You and your “publicist” (what are you, Ryan Gosling?) figured out dark marketing patterns and now you’re on a different plane of existence from the plebes? I don’t know what you think this comment accomplishes, but it certainly didn’t accomplish that. Who’s shaking your bottle, enlightened one?
- vmception 5y ago
  I/Execs don't care My publicist definitely doesn't care You/Commenters care and that's whats funny Publicist gets results and I decide to pay their monthly retainer again or not I occasionally look at what they're doing and sometimes it demystifies what other trends I see on social media like LinkedIn, a perpetual crowdsources A/B test that they keep falling for. I don't think it is human nature, as different humans are inspired by people that look like them and would not be aware if it was not mentioned, and different humans have no clue why it is mentioned and a subset of those different humans a triggered by that and think it is their mission to reveal to everyone that mentioning it is the problem. Bread and circuses
  - jkr42 5y ago
    As long as you’re amused by being a putrid waste of humanity, I guess, you do you. Gotta get them lulz for this week’s Bitcoin newsletter so you can forget how crushingly empty your soul is while grifting those who believe fintech to be an actual thing and behind your genz wisdom lies their yacht. ABH, hype is value, I get you, don’t worry. You’ll be admired for it in the end, I’m sure. Those who substantively contribute to society are just inches away from understanding you.
    - vmception 5y ago
      Join my Masterclass for $29 using the HN promo code
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Seattle3503 5y ago
Who are you?
- isoskeles 5y ago
  An asshole.
underwater 5y ago
Plenty of people are smart enough to manipulate others, but don't because they're not assholes. Manipulating people for personal gain doesn't make you smart. It just makes you a psychopath.
- vmception 5y ago
  Bring it up with the publicist. They're all third party and they all share the same tactics with each other for engagement. I have been willing to concede that there are a lot of people inspired by people that look like them and otherwise wouldn't even notice if it weren't for categorized headlines and lists. It is icing on the cake that different people are triggered by that, and even greater icing on the cake that all platforms have convergent evolution to promoting this kind of engagement and anxiety.
  - jkr42 5y ago
    And who pays and directs said publicist? You were in cahoots reflecting on the intelligence of your marks fifteen minutes ago, remember? Go ahead, walk back the psychopathy because you couldn’t stick to it. We all totally buy the assignment of liability to a third party and respect your commitment to the troll. The only thing more amusing than a troll is a troll that collapses like a limp noodle under sustained fire from more experienced trolls.
    - vmception 5y ago
      yours and my comments are flagged, nobody is walking back anything, we just can't read them any more I find the outcome amusing Citizen found the same result
    - vmception 5y ago
      Citizen found the same result Nobody is walking back anything, and we don't direct the publicist
      - jkr42 5y ago
sbagel 5y ago
Users getting so offended by this comment are hilarious. He didn't create this system, if you were in a similar position tasked to get attention for a client or business you could take the high road of not using proven social media tactics and fail miserably. The sanctimonious take that he's a 'manipulative asshole' for playing the system is laughable. Don't hate the player hate the game.
- jkr42 5y ago
  If you think anyone is offended here you simply don’t understand the Internet.
- vmception 5y ago
  It has really demystified a lot of whats going on, for me, especially on LinkedIn. It was probably 4 years ago when our publicist first told us about double spaced motivational nonsense going viral consistently. We were amused, bemused really, because we didn't care for it but were fine with the low effort involved. Now with the aforementioned tactic, LinkedIn does consistently surface "[First] <Race> [Female] <Accomplishment>" posts, and I like to look at the source article to see if it was actually published that way, because if it wasn't I have a good chuckle because I know exactly what's going on. The people in the comments only react.
- Bancakes 5y ago
  It's still a wild west where people cling to sensationalism. I think the consequence is people grow up in it and form a tolerance. I know I have, I just assume an article's worth is inversely proportional to its controversy.
- kelnos 5y ago
  I would honestly rather my business fail than participate in that sort of manipulation. "Unethical" doesn't even begin to describe it. The game is supported by the players willing to play. If you play, you're culpable.
  - filoleg 5y ago
    >I would honestly rather my business fail than participate in that sort of manipulation. "Unethical" doesn't even begin to describe it. Ethics become a bit more complex when you are employing people. Would you rather your business fail, so that all the people working for you become unemployed overnight, despite a lot of them having their livelihoods depend on that? To be clear, I don't think that "i have people working for me, whose livelihoods depend on my business surviving" is a great excuse for all kinds of immoral behavior, but it definitely adds to the nuance. And given what specific scenario we are dealing with here, I don't think it is as clear-cut as you try to make it seem.
farco12 5y ago
This is the 3rd Citizen headline I've seen since yesterday. I'd say their publicist is doing a top notch job of driving engagement through outrage to spread name recognition. I'm a hypocrite for commenting, but it would be nice if we didn't let engagement bait like this stay on the front page this long.
jareklupinski 5y ago
thank you for inoculating all of us to your mental viruses your "publicist" would probably not like that :^)

imwillofficial 5y ago

I don’t know who is shaking the bottle, all I know is those fire ants are going down!

vmception 5y ago
Black ants just have to make everything about the fire ants huh!

jkr42 5y ago

Must be nice, actively exploiting human nature and then calling the humans dumb and gullible for having said nature and falling for your exploitation. Absolves you of any liability for being no better than a troll because what, you’re smarter than everyone else, I guess? You and your “publicist” (what are you, Ryan Gosling?) figured out dark marketing patterns and now you’re on a different plane of existence from the plebes? I don’t know what you think this comment accomplishes, but it certainly didn’t accomplish that. Who’s shaking your bottle, enlightened one?

vmception 5y ago
I/Execs don't care My publicist definitely doesn't care You/Commenters care and that's whats funny Publicist gets results and I decide to pay their monthly retainer again or not I occasionally look at what they're doing and sometimes it demystifies what other trends I see on social media like LinkedIn, a perpetual crowdsources A/B test that they keep falling for. I don't think it is human nature, as different humans are inspired by people that look like them and would not be aware if it was not mentioned, and different humans have no clue why it is mentioned and a subset of those different humans a triggered by that and think it is their mission to reveal to everyone that mentioning it is the problem. Bread and circuses
- jkr42 5y ago
  As long as you’re amused by being a putrid waste of humanity, I guess, you do you. Gotta get them lulz for this week’s Bitcoin newsletter so you can forget how crushingly empty your soul is while grifting those who believe fintech to be an actual thing and behind your genz wisdom lies their yacht. ABH, hype is value, I get you, don’t worry. You’ll be admired for it in the end, I’m sure. Those who substantively contribute to society are just inches away from understanding you.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Join my Masterclass for $29 using the HN promo code
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Seattle3503 5y ago

Who are you?

isoskeles 5y ago
An asshole.

underwater 5y ago

Plenty of people are smart enough to manipulate others, but don't because they're not assholes. Manipulating people for personal gain doesn't make you smart. It just makes you a psychopath.

vmception 5y ago
Bring it up with the publicist. They're all third party and they all share the same tactics with each other for engagement. I have been willing to concede that there are a lot of people inspired by people that look like them and otherwise wouldn't even notice if it weren't for categorized headlines and lists. It is icing on the cake that different people are triggered by that, and even greater icing on the cake that all platforms have convergent evolution to promoting this kind of engagement and anxiety.
- jkr42 5y ago
  And who pays and directs said publicist? You were in cahoots reflecting on the intelligence of your marks fifteen minutes ago, remember? Go ahead, walk back the psychopathy because you couldn’t stick to it. We all totally buy the assignment of liability to a third party and respect your commitment to the troll. The only thing more amusing than a troll is a troll that collapses like a limp noodle under sustained fire from more experienced trolls.
  - vmception 5y ago
    yours and my comments are flagged, nobody is walking back anything, we just can't read them any more I find the outcome amusing Citizen found the same result
  - vmception 5y ago
    Citizen found the same result Nobody is walking back anything, and we don't direct the publicist
    - jkr42 5y ago

sbagel 5y ago

Users getting so offended by this comment are hilarious. He didn't create this system, if you were in a similar position tasked to get attention for a client or business you could take the high road of not using proven social media tactics and fail miserably. The sanctimonious take that he's a 'manipulative asshole' for playing the system is laughable. Don't hate the player hate the game.

jkr42 5y ago
If you think anyone is offended here you simply don’t understand the Internet.
vmception 5y ago
It has really demystified a lot of whats going on, for me, especially on LinkedIn. It was probably 4 years ago when our publicist first told us about double spaced motivational nonsense going viral consistently. We were amused, bemused really, because we didn't care for it but were fine with the low effort involved. Now with the aforementioned tactic, LinkedIn does consistently surface "[First] <Race> [Female] <Accomplishment>" posts, and I like to look at the source article to see if it was actually published that way, because if it wasn't I have a good chuckle because I know exactly what's going on. The people in the comments only react.
Bancakes 5y ago
It's still a wild west where people cling to sensationalism. I think the consequence is people grow up in it and form a tolerance. I know I have, I just assume an article's worth is inversely proportional to its controversy.
kelnos 5y ago
I would honestly rather my business fail than participate in that sort of manipulation. "Unethical" doesn't even begin to describe it. The game is supported by the players willing to play. If you play, you're culpable.
- filoleg 5y ago
  >I would honestly rather my business fail than participate in that sort of manipulation. "Unethical" doesn't even begin to describe it. Ethics become a bit more complex when you are employing people. Would you rather your business fail, so that all the people working for you become unemployed overnight, despite a lot of them having their livelihoods depend on that? To be clear, I don't think that "i have people working for me, whose livelihoods depend on my business surviving" is a great excuse for all kinds of immoral behavior, but it definitely adds to the nuance. And given what specific scenario we are dealing with here, I don't think it is as clear-cut as you try to make it seem.

farco12 5y ago

This is the 3rd Citizen headline I've seen since yesterday. I'd say their publicist is doing a top notch job of driving engagement through outrage to spread name recognition. I'm a hypocrite for commenting, but it would be nice if we didn't let engagement bait like this stay on the front page this long.

jareklupinski 5y ago

thank you for inoculating all of us to your mental viruses your "publicist" would probably not like that :^)