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It is disingenuous to equate general self driving with tesla autopilot. The idea the full AGI is required is silly and incorrect. Waymo does not have these iss

It is disingenuous to equate general self driving with tesla autopilot. The idea the full AGI is required is silly and incorrect. Waymo does not have these issues at all. It couldn't happen either. You don't need AGI to have a detailed map, you don't need AGI to properly localize to a detailed map. these are problems Tesla is giving itself

clouddrover 5y ago
> Waymo does not have these issues at all. False: https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-waymo-av-get-freaked-out-by-traffic-cones-bloc-1846897182 https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-waymo-av-get-freaked-out-by-tra...
- gmadsen 5y ago
  did you read the article? that is not related to the tesla issue at all. Furthermore, this article just described bad decision making with regards to traffic cones, however was not dangerous. It was aware of drivable surfaces and direction of traffic... because it has a map Do you see how these are different situations? 1. Telsa swerving into an oncoming lane 2. Waymo coming to a controlled stop in front of a traffic cone, then thinks it is blocked and needs help
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > Waymo coming to a controlled stop in front of a traffic cone And then driving off again, and then blocking traffic, and then evading Waymo's roadside assistance, etc. Do you see how these aren't different situations?
    - gmadsen 5y ago
      again, nothing high danger. That is not a neural net, it could have easily been programmed to not try and maneuver around and just stay stopped, so sounds like a behavior that needs some additional improvement. It didn't lose sight of the cones. It was an issue with generating an appropriate path around the cones. Notice how it didn't hit the cones or anything else That is fundamentally different than trusting a neural net to tell you where the lanes are, where the objects are, and what kind of objects they are. you do not drive into an oncoming lane if you have a hd map. you do not drive into a concrete wall if you have lidar.
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        > again, nothing high danger. Not having control of the car is high danger. Even when they recognized it needed rescuing they still didn't have control of it.
        gmadsen 5y ago
        that sounds like a bug(albeit severe), but that is in no way descriptive of current technology or some sort of cap on performance

clouddrover 5y ago

> Waymo does not have these issues at all. False: https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-waymo-av-get-freaked-out-by-traffic-cones-bloc-1846897182 https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-waymo-av-get-freaked-out-by-tra...

gmadsen 5y ago
did you read the article? that is not related to the tesla issue at all. Furthermore, this article just described bad decision making with regards to traffic cones, however was not dangerous. It was aware of drivable surfaces and direction of traffic... because it has a map Do you see how these are different situations? 1. Telsa swerving into an oncoming lane 2. Waymo coming to a controlled stop in front of a traffic cone, then thinks it is blocked and needs help
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > Waymo coming to a controlled stop in front of a traffic cone And then driving off again, and then blocking traffic, and then evading Waymo's roadside assistance, etc. Do you see how these aren't different situations?
  - gmadsen 5y ago
    again, nothing high danger. That is not a neural net, it could have easily been programmed to not try and maneuver around and just stay stopped, so sounds like a behavior that needs some additional improvement. It didn't lose sight of the cones. It was an issue with generating an appropriate path around the cones. Notice how it didn't hit the cones or anything else That is fundamentally different than trusting a neural net to tell you where the lanes are, where the objects are, and what kind of objects they are. you do not drive into an oncoming lane if you have a hd map. you do not drive into a concrete wall if you have lidar.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      > again, nothing high danger. Not having control of the car is high danger. Even when they recognized it needed rescuing they still didn't have control of it.
      - gmadsen 5y ago
        that sounds like a bug(albeit severe), but that is in no way descriptive of current technology or some sort of cap on performance