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Well, then they're judged on their extra-curricular, volunteering and community activities, rather than their SATs. I'm willing to bet poorer people don't do s

by mig39 5y ago

Well, then they're judged on their extra-curricular, volunteering and community activities, rather than their SATs. I'm willing to bet poorer people don't do so well on those.

TchoBeer 5y ago
I'm willing to bet poorer people don't do as well on the SATs either.
- jostmey 5y ago
  Try participating in extra-curricular, volunteering and community activities while working a minimum wage job 20+ hours a week and going to school. Have you worked in a restaurant? It is fu##ing exhausting. At least testing tries to achieve standardized results. It is not perfect but it is better than the current alternative
  - Jcowell 5y ago
    But the question is , is it better ? From my experience the test all come down to if a student is lucky enough to have caring parents and test prep. Wouldn’t a better metric be to have that minimum wage job count as a extra curricular activity?
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    - monetus 5y ago
      Why are you trying to improve the world rather than choose between two bad choices? /s Applying data from other complex systems besides our own might not be easy, but surely other countries have some studies we could compare with our own. I'm going to go look. Hope you're having a nice day.
- whoooooo123 5y ago
  My wife is from a fairly poor background and had few advantages growing up, but her country rigourously uses standardised testing for university admissions. She didn't have any extra curriculars or after school activities to brag about in her personal essay, but she aced the standardised test and got into the best university in her country and now she has a successful career and lives a lifestyle far more affluent than anything her parents could have dreamed of. Without standardised testing she wouldn't have had a chance. The drive to eliminate standardised testing is insane, and it can only hurt minorities and the already-disadvantaged, to the benefit of the elite. But then that's the whole point.

by mig39 5y ago

Well, then they're judged on their extra-curricular, volunteering and community activities, rather than their SATs. I'm willing to bet poorer people don't do so well on those.

TchoBeer 5y ago

I'm willing to bet poorer people don't do as well on the SATs either.

jostmey 5y ago
Try participating in extra-curricular, volunteering and community activities while working a minimum wage job 20+ hours a week and going to school. Have you worked in a restaurant? It is fu##ing exhausting. At least testing tries to achieve standardized results. It is not perfect but it is better than the current alternative
- Jcowell 5y ago
  But the question is , is it better ? From my experience the test all come down to if a student is lucky enough to have caring parents and test prep. Wouldn’t a better metric be to have that minimum wage job count as a extra curricular activity?
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  - monetus 5y ago
    Why are you trying to improve the world rather than choose between two bad choices? /s Applying data from other complex systems besides our own might not be easy, but surely other countries have some studies we could compare with our own. I'm going to go look. Hope you're having a nice day.
whoooooo123 5y ago
My wife is from a fairly poor background and had few advantages growing up, but her country rigourously uses standardised testing for university admissions. She didn't have any extra curriculars or after school activities to brag about in her personal essay, but she aced the standardised test and got into the best university in her country and now she has a successful career and lives a lifestyle far more affluent than anything her parents could have dreamed of. Without standardised testing she wouldn't have had a chance. The drive to eliminate standardised testing is insane, and it can only hurt minorities and the already-disadvantaged, to the benefit of the elite. But then that's the whole point.