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With a feature being pulled from already-sold vehicles, I wonder if this'll run into some Lemon Law issues. Because the vehicle no longer does what was sold, wh

With a feature being pulled from already-sold vehicles, I wonder if this'll run into some Lemon Law issues. Because the vehicle no longer does what was sold, which is specifically protected by law in many states.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
This only applies to new vehicles that ship without the radar module. Tesla is switching to vision-only but the vision-only system hasn't been tested by the NHTSA. Nothing has changed for vehicles that have already shipped with radar modules.
- soheil 5y ago
  Not true. If you made a reservation and signed the paperwork to take delivery in 4-11 weeks (more like 11 weeks as of now) the radar will be stripped from the car you're getting, it won't be the car you paid for. I think this is a good move by Tesla regardless and makes them focus on improving vision. No lidar and now no radar.
mbreese 5y ago
> pulled from already-sold vehicles The radar was pulled from already ordered vehicles. The sale isn't finalized until pickup. I assume they would allow the order to be canceled at least.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  The feature is intended to be removed from all vehicles, though, the radar will be turned off according to Tesla.
nickik 5y ago
They are actually improving features. This actually FIXES a major issue with the current system. Radar false positives have been the single most complained about problem with Autopilot.
- vardump 5y ago
  If Tesla can get it working, vision is going to be superior to the radar experience, because it can sense both road geometry and the potential obstacle. Talking about the industry in general (not only Tesla), so far radar has failed for either being too insensitive and failing to avoid collisions or being too sensitive and causing phantom braking.
notJim 5y ago
You have to agree to it before you take delivery of the vehicle. You can cancel it if you don't like this issue. (I know because I am in this situation.)

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

This only applies to new vehicles that ship without the radar module. Tesla is switching to vision-only but the vision-only system hasn't been tested by the NHTSA. Nothing has changed for vehicles that have already shipped with radar modules.

soheil 5y ago
Not true. If you made a reservation and signed the paperwork to take delivery in 4-11 weeks (more like 11 weeks as of now) the radar will be stripped from the car you're getting, it won't be the car you paid for. I think this is a good move by Tesla regardless and makes them focus on improving vision. No lidar and now no radar.

mbreese 5y ago

> pulled from already-sold vehicles The radar was pulled from already ordered vehicles. The sale isn't finalized until pickup. I assume they would allow the order to be canceled at least.

rootusrootus 5y ago
The feature is intended to be removed from all vehicles, though, the radar will be turned off according to Tesla.

nickik 5y ago

They are actually improving features. This actually FIXES a major issue with the current system. Radar false positives have been the single most complained about problem with Autopilot.

vardump 5y ago
If Tesla can get it working, vision is going to be superior to the radar experience, because it can sense both road geometry and the potential obstacle. Talking about the industry in general (not only Tesla), so far radar has failed for either being too insensitive and failing to avoid collisions or being too sensitive and causing phantom braking.

notJim 5y ago

You have to agree to it before you take delivery of the vehicle. You can cancel it if you don't like this issue. (I know because I am in this situation.)