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Banning crypto mining would be a far easier solution and better for the world and humanity as a whole. No one is going to push for "100% renewable crypto mining

Banning crypto mining would be a far easier solution and better for the world and humanity as a whole. No one is going to push for "100% renewable crypto mining", so just ban it completely. Honestly it is absolutely unforgivable that people still push cryptocurrency in the face of the existential threat to humanity that global heating presents. It's a completely immoral, destructive, evil.

liquidise 5y ago
Your comment reads as if "crypto" is synonymous with "Proof of Work cryptos". Are you suggesting a blanket ban on all cryptocurrencies regardless of their electrical efficiencies, or specifically PoW-style mining?
- phpnode 5y ago
  PoW and PoS are both Proof of Waste. It's evil, especially so in this environment. Humans need to co-operate to survive global heating, we cannot avoid trust, we need to make it easier to trust each other. If you buy into cryptocurrency you are implicitly abandoning hope of humanity surviving this crisis, in fact you're hastening our downfall.
  - shiohime 5y ago
    If cryptocurrency energy usage is the straw that breaks the camel's back, we were doomed to begin with.
    - phpnode 5y ago
      "We were heading off the cliff anyway, so I put my foot on the accelerator"
      - shiohime 5y ago
        What do you want, us to stop using energy? That's not gonna happen, the best you can do is to have tried to limit carbon emissions decades ago, but it's far too late for anything like that. Fuck it, pedal to the metal.
        phpnode 5y ago
        No, I want us to stop wasting energy on anti-social ideas. I want governments to end an industry that produces a net-negative value and is at least 75% powered by coal. Shame on your defeatist, destructive attitude.
        liquidise 5y ago
        "Anti-social ideas" is in the eye of the beholder, given that a society is generally a diverse social landscape. I know many people who consider cryptocurrencies to be one of the biggest social boons in recent times. A unified, international ban on something is a nearly unprecedented achievement, apart from perhaps chemical weapons, and even then i'm not sure all nations had a seat at the table. You also referred to cyprots as "evil" earlier in this thread. What specifically about cryptocurrencies has given you this strong sentiment? (To be clear i appreciate your passion on the topic, i'm legitimately trying to understand your viewpoint, if that isn't obvious).
        shiohime 5y ago
        Your holier than thou attitude is pretty sickening actually. Big daddy government can't do shit and isn't going to protect you.
shiohime 5y ago
On the opposite end of the morality spectrum, some people think it's absolutely unforgivable to continue supporting corrupt governments that irresponsibly inflate their fiat to unusable levels, which is a much more immediate concern for some people than the ice is melting ad nauseum for like 50+ years, and use crypto as an alternative store of wealth when their governments fail them. So, whatever, let China use their energy to solve some stupidly complex algorithms to process transactions. In the end, it won't even matter.
rglover 5y ago
It doesn't pose an existential threat. https://twitter.com/DarinFeinstein/status/1397005209147170818 https://twitter.com/DarinFeinstein/status/139700520914717081...
- tgv 5y ago
  You know how much my household contributes? Add a few more zeroes. Do you know how much that car over there contributes? Very, very, very little. That plane? Hardly anything. Nothing poses an existential threat.

liquidise 5y ago

Your comment reads as if "crypto" is synonymous with "Proof of Work cryptos". Are you suggesting a blanket ban on all cryptocurrencies regardless of their electrical efficiencies, or specifically PoW-style mining?

phpnode 5y ago
PoW and PoS are both Proof of Waste. It's evil, especially so in this environment. Humans need to co-operate to survive global heating, we cannot avoid trust, we need to make it easier to trust each other. If you buy into cryptocurrency you are implicitly abandoning hope of humanity surviving this crisis, in fact you're hastening our downfall.
- shiohime 5y ago
  If cryptocurrency energy usage is the straw that breaks the camel's back, we were doomed to begin with.
  - phpnode 5y ago
    "We were heading off the cliff anyway, so I put my foot on the accelerator"
    - shiohime 5y ago
      What do you want, us to stop using energy? That's not gonna happen, the best you can do is to have tried to limit carbon emissions decades ago, but it's far too late for anything like that. Fuck it, pedal to the metal.
      - phpnode 5y ago
        No, I want us to stop wasting energy on anti-social ideas. I want governments to end an industry that produces a net-negative value and is at least 75% powered by coal. Shame on your defeatist, destructive attitude.
        liquidise 5y ago
        "Anti-social ideas" is in the eye of the beholder, given that a society is generally a diverse social landscape. I know many people who consider cryptocurrencies to be one of the biggest social boons in recent times. A unified, international ban on something is a nearly unprecedented achievement, apart from perhaps chemical weapons, and even then i'm not sure all nations had a seat at the table. You also referred to cyprots as "evil" earlier in this thread. What specifically about cryptocurrencies has given you this strong sentiment? (To be clear i appreciate your passion on the topic, i'm legitimately trying to understand your viewpoint, if that isn't obvious).
        shiohime 5y ago
        Your holier than thou attitude is pretty sickening actually. Big daddy government can't do shit and isn't going to protect you.

shiohime 5y ago

On the opposite end of the morality spectrum, some people think it's absolutely unforgivable to continue supporting corrupt governments that irresponsibly inflate their fiat to unusable levels, which is a much more immediate concern for some people than the ice is melting ad nauseum for like 50+ years, and use crypto as an alternative store of wealth when their governments fail them. So, whatever, let China use their energy to solve some stupidly complex algorithms to process transactions. In the end, it won't even matter.

rglover 5y ago

It doesn't pose an existential threat. https://twitter.com/DarinFeinstein/status/1397005209147170818 https://twitter.com/DarinFeinstein/status/139700520914717081...

tgv 5y ago
You know how much my household contributes? Add a few more zeroes. Do you know how much that car over there contributes? Very, very, very little. That plane? Hardly anything. Nothing poses an existential threat.