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> progressive reforms You mean nationalize other peoples property then try to starve capitalism of resources. As a liberal I always find it funny when leftist

by viro 5y ago

> progressive reforms You mean nationalize other peoples property then try to starve capitalism of resources. As a liberal I always find it funny when leftists have this magical ability to just forget WHY the States had the containment policy. So yea it was about the human right of private property.

xtian 5y ago
Oh ok so how was the human right of private property respected when the US annexed Hawaii?
- viro 5y ago
  Um what system of government did they have before? I guess we have beef against most forms of Monarchies. And before you mention it was a constitutional monarchy that was done by the Bayonet Constitution.... read that history that was basically us. not as bad as the constitution of 1894 tho... that was rather direct.
  - xtian 5y ago
    Ok got it. So "respecting human rights" means the US should get to decide the form of government and economy of everyone else in the world (which through total happenstance always ends up benefiting the US). At least you admit it. Now don't complain when the consequences of that stance fully manifest over the next couple of decades.
    - viro 5y ago
      Every non-democracy or republic is oppressing its people in some way shape or form. So yea that is respecting human rights.
      - xtian 5y ago
        A Chase survey from January of this year found that 40% of Americans don’t have enough cash on hand to cover a $400 emergency. The NHIS estimated that from 2017-2019 anywhere from 8,500 to 25,000 non-elderly adults died in the US from lack of healthcare coverage. In a 2019 Gallup poll, 25% of US adults said they or a family member had delayed treatment for a serious medical condition during the past year because of financial concerns. As of 2018 there were roughly 550,000 homeless people in the US on any given night. The US has around 25% of the world’s prison population with 698 people incarcerated per 100,000. But we have freedom and human rights!
        viro 5y ago
        > A Chase survey from January of this year found that 40% of Americans don’t have enough cash on hand to cover a $400 emergency. Did you know that has nothing to do with how much money you make? if you don't save any money you won't have money for unexpected expenses. > As of 2018 there were roughly 550,000 homeless people in the US on any given night Heres some other countries homeless populations Germany: 650,000 China: 2,579,000 Canada: 129,127 (36 per 10k) New Zealand: 41,207 (94 per 10k). The US is 17 per 10k just so you know.
        xtian 5y ago
        Let's say your number for China is accurate (it's not). Why aren't all these free human rights respecting places able to do better on the rate of homelessness than an oppressive authoritarian regime? Let's assume you're right that everyone is just spending all their money irresponsibly. Why isn't our system of free speech and open access to information able to educate people better?

by viro 5y ago

xtian 5y ago

Oh ok so how was the human right of private property respected when the US annexed Hawaii?

viro 5y ago
Um what system of government did they have before? I guess we have beef against most forms of Monarchies. And before you mention it was a constitutional monarchy that was done by the Bayonet Constitution.... read that history that was basically us. not as bad as the constitution of 1894 tho... that was rather direct.
- xtian 5y ago
  Ok got it. So "respecting human rights" means the US should get to decide the form of government and economy of everyone else in the world (which through total happenstance always ends up benefiting the US). At least you admit it. Now don't complain when the consequences of that stance fully manifest over the next couple of decades.
  - viro 5y ago
    Every non-democracy or republic is oppressing its people in some way shape or form. So yea that is respecting human rights.
    - xtian 5y ago
      A Chase survey from January of this year found that 40% of Americans don’t have enough cash on hand to cover a $400 emergency. The NHIS estimated that from 2017-2019 anywhere from 8,500 to 25,000 non-elderly adults died in the US from lack of healthcare coverage. In a 2019 Gallup poll, 25% of US adults said they or a family member had delayed treatment for a serious medical condition during the past year because of financial concerns. As of 2018 there were roughly 550,000 homeless people in the US on any given night. The US has around 25% of the world’s prison population with 698 people incarcerated per 100,000. But we have freedom and human rights!
      - viro 5y ago
        > A Chase survey from January of this year found that 40% of Americans don’t have enough cash on hand to cover a $400 emergency. Did you know that has nothing to do with how much money you make? if you don't save any money you won't have money for unexpected expenses. > As of 2018 there were roughly 550,000 homeless people in the US on any given night Heres some other countries homeless populations Germany: 650,000 China: 2,579,000 Canada: 129,127 (36 per 10k) New Zealand: 41,207 (94 per 10k). The US is 17 per 10k just so you know.
        xtian 5y ago
        Let's say your number for China is accurate (it's not). Why aren't all these free human rights respecting places able to do better on the rate of homelessness than an oppressive authoritarian regime? Let's assume you're right that everyone is just spending all their money irresponsibly. Why isn't our system of free speech and open access to information able to educate people better?