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These usability stories make me laugh. Anyone else thinks http://useit.com http://useit.com homepage is almost unusable?

cryptoz 15y ago
Almost unusable? Your comment is almost unreadable. How can you possibly say that site is almost unusable?! It's so simple. Search works excellently. Site layout is clear, obvious. Fonts are easy to read. Hell, it's probably a lot more usable than HN.
- dimmuborgir 15y ago
  You're confusing between unusability and unreadability.
  - jonknee 15y ago
    No, you're confusing usability with being pretty.
    - dimmuborgir 15y ago
      No. If one looks at useit.com homepage, what is "Alertbox" to the left supposed to mean? Are they blog posts or articles? If articles, how do they differ from "Reports" below? And in the News section to the right, both the news items and "as seen in the media" are mixed together.
      - jonknee 15y ago
        Jakob has been writing Alertbox columns since 1995, clicking Alertbox takes you to an index of all the columns. Reports are long format studies of usability issues that are available for purchase. Click any report title to see a summary, TOC and purchasing options. There is a horizontal rule separating media mentions/interviews and the lastest on his events. I find nothing about this confusing, it's quite usable. It's not pretty though.
        Silhouette 15y ago
        To be fair, what you're highlighting is that useit.com caters better for regular visitors than for newcomers who aren't familiar with its terminology, which is a genuine usability problem. Your visitors spend most of their time on other people's sites, remember? :-)
        ugh 15y ago
        Is Alertbox really such a cryptic term? I doubt that very much.
        glhaynes 15y ago
        It's misleading if you don't know what it refers to - it makes one think it pertains to something that they need to be aware of, perhaps even something dangerous... maybe a security issue or something like that.
        ugh 15y ago
        I guess Nielsen is aware of this issue. “Alertbox” is the only headline on his start page (save for the actual title of the website) that has a subtitle: “Jakob's column on Web usability” – a quite succinct description of what the Alertbox actually is. Calling it Alertbox is certainly more about branding than anything else. (People don’t read on the web; the subtitle is not going to help much, right?) Nielsen has been writing his column since 1995, renaming it “Jakob’s blog” or “Jakob’s column” or something like that at this point in time would be extremely stupid. Everyone who was somewhat interested in usability during the last decade knows about the Alertbox (if only because they were annoyed by it). It’s a brand. All the noobs (who this website isn’t really targeting anyway) get the subtitle.
        webignition 15y ago
        It was noted by Amy Schade during the 2008 NNG Usability Week conference that "Alertbox" would not be a wise choice if selected now but that the branding is too strong to support an easy change.
    - rimantas 15y ago
      "Being pretty" is a must for great usability. I am not talking about decoration which is superficial, but the real prettiness which comes from having clear layout, visual hierarchy, well thought-out typography, etc. To borrow from Steve Jobs: design is how it works. There is not much to "work" on useit.com, but there definitely is a room for improvement (layout, typography, focus, etc), now it is just two columns with bunch of links. See for example http://alistapart.com/ http://alistapart.com/ — for me it is still has the best design for content-oriented site. It is very pretty and at the same time all that prettiness has a function.
asolove 15y ago
Did you read it? This isn't a "your site isn't usable to the 1% of users with motor disabilities" Nielsen article. WSJ spent money to create an app that, because of one poor piece of text, made existing, paying customers dislike them. And not for a real reason, like charging them twice, but a misunderstanding caused by bad copy and never testing the app with real subscribers.
- dimmuborgir 15y ago
  First, how Nielsen came to conclusion that the reason for the app's bad rating is its startup screen design is beyond me. Read the comment of cageyjames. That could be the reason. Second, usability isn't a science. So it's vulnerable to criticisms.
  - Silhouette 15y ago
    > Second, usability isn't a science. You seem to be using a different definition of "usability" to most of us throughout this discussion. To people like Nielsen (who certainly popularised and arguably originated the term) usability is like a science: it is about measuring how people behave in practice and improving your product in light of that hard data. Once may draw inferences from that data, if patterns start to emerge where some practices are on balance superior to others, but just as in science, such inferences are falsifiable and only as good as the latest data set. It is more than a little ironic that useit.com itself has become less usable over time, according to many of the very factors that Nielsen himself has commented on in the past...
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- cageyjames 15y ago
  There is no confusion in the policy that the WSJ charges twice for access. We all know this and that is why we download it for free and then give it a one star rating. Compare the iPad WSJ reviews with the iPhone one. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-wall-street-journal/id364387007?mt=8 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-wall-street-journal/id364...
ugh 15y ago
I see clear hierarchy, descriptive titles, good placement of standard elements (search is at the top right, contact info is at the bottom), appropriate font sizes and good contrast. I really dislike the visual design but that doesn’t make the website unusable. It makes me less happy when using the website but I don’t think it impedes my ability to go where I want to go and to do so quickly.
webignition 15y ago
Statements concerning the need to test aside, "almost unusable" is very likely a gross overstatement. To state http://useit.com http://useit.com is almost unusable is equivalent to saying, at the very least, that it is hard to use. It probably could be easier to use (what isn't?), but hard to use it is not. You can argue that the site is not the most aesthetically pleasing. There may have been a time when this could have been changed, however as the site and Jakob Nielsen have been well known for many years, the visual appearance serves strong branding purposes: it's very obviously useit.com, it's very recognisable, even standing well back from your screen. Jakob has supported this notion as the reason not to change.

cryptoz 15y ago

Almost unusable? Your comment is almost unreadable. How can you possibly say that site is almost unusable?! It's so simple. Search works excellently. Site layout is clear, obvious. Fonts are easy to read. Hell, it's probably a lot more usable than HN.

dimmuborgir 15y ago
You're confusing between unusability and unreadability.
- jonknee 15y ago
  No, you're confusing usability with being pretty.
  - dimmuborgir 15y ago
    No. If one looks at useit.com homepage, what is "Alertbox" to the left supposed to mean? Are they blog posts or articles? If articles, how do they differ from "Reports" below? And in the News section to the right, both the news items and "as seen in the media" are mixed together.
    - jonknee 15y ago
      Jakob has been writing Alertbox columns since 1995, clicking Alertbox takes you to an index of all the columns. Reports are long format studies of usability issues that are available for purchase. Click any report title to see a summary, TOC and purchasing options. There is a horizontal rule separating media mentions/interviews and the lastest on his events. I find nothing about this confusing, it's quite usable. It's not pretty though.
      - Silhouette 15y ago
        To be fair, what you're highlighting is that useit.com caters better for regular visitors than for newcomers who aren't familiar with its terminology, which is a genuine usability problem. Your visitors spend most of their time on other people's sites, remember? :-)
        ugh 15y ago
        Is Alertbox really such a cryptic term? I doubt that very much.
        glhaynes 15y ago
        It's misleading if you don't know what it refers to - it makes one think it pertains to something that they need to be aware of, perhaps even something dangerous... maybe a security issue or something like that.
        ugh 15y ago
        I guess Nielsen is aware of this issue. “Alertbox” is the only headline on his start page (save for the actual title of the website) that has a subtitle: “Jakob's column on Web usability” – a quite succinct description of what the Alertbox actually is. Calling it Alertbox is certainly more about branding than anything else. (People don’t read on the web; the subtitle is not going to help much, right?) Nielsen has been writing his column since 1995, renaming it “Jakob’s blog” or “Jakob’s column” or something like that at this point in time would be extremely stupid. Everyone who was somewhat interested in usability during the last decade knows about the Alertbox (if only because they were annoyed by it). It’s a brand. All the noobs (who this website isn’t really targeting anyway) get the subtitle.
        webignition 15y ago
        It was noted by Amy Schade during the 2008 NNG Usability Week conference that "Alertbox" would not be a wise choice if selected now but that the branding is too strong to support an easy change.
  - rimantas 15y ago
    "Being pretty" is a must for great usability. I am not talking about decoration which is superficial, but the real prettiness which comes from having clear layout, visual hierarchy, well thought-out typography, etc. To borrow from Steve Jobs: design is how it works. There is not much to "work" on useit.com, but there definitely is a room for improvement (layout, typography, focus, etc), now it is just two columns with bunch of links. See for example http://alistapart.com/ http://alistapart.com/ — for me it is still has the best design for content-oriented site. It is very pretty and at the same time all that prettiness has a function.

asolove 15y ago

Did you read it? This isn't a "your site isn't usable to the 1% of users with motor disabilities" Nielsen article. WSJ spent money to create an app that, because of one poor piece of text, made existing, paying customers dislike them. And not for a real reason, like charging them twice, but a misunderstanding caused by bad copy and never testing the app with real subscribers.

dimmuborgir 15y ago
First, how Nielsen came to conclusion that the reason for the app's bad rating is its startup screen design is beyond me. Read the comment of cageyjames. That could be the reason. Second, usability isn't a science. So it's vulnerable to criticisms.
- Silhouette 15y ago
  > Second, usability isn't a science. You seem to be using a different definition of "usability" to most of us throughout this discussion. To people like Nielsen (who certainly popularised and arguably originated the term) usability is like a science: it is about measuring how people behave in practice and improving your product in light of that hard data. Once may draw inferences from that data, if patterns start to emerge where some practices are on balance superior to others, but just as in science, such inferences are falsifiable and only as good as the latest data set. It is more than a little ironic that useit.com itself has become less usable over time, according to many of the very factors that Nielsen himself has commented on in the past...
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cageyjames 15y ago
There is no confusion in the policy that the WSJ charges twice for access. We all know this and that is why we download it for free and then give it a one star rating. Compare the iPad WSJ reviews with the iPhone one. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-wall-street-journal/id364387007?mt=8 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-wall-street-journal/id364...

ugh 15y ago

I see clear hierarchy, descriptive titles, good placement of standard elements (search is at the top right, contact info is at the bottom), appropriate font sizes and good contrast. I really dislike the visual design but that doesn’t make the website unusable. It makes me less happy when using the website but I don’t think it impedes my ability to go where I want to go and to do so quickly.

webignition 15y ago

Statements concerning the need to test aside, "almost unusable" is very likely a gross overstatement. To state http://useit.com http://useit.com is almost unusable is equivalent to saying, at the very least, that it is hard to use. It probably could be easier to use (what isn't?), but hard to use it is not. You can argue that the site is not the most aesthetically pleasing. There may have been a time when this could have been changed, however as the site and Jakob Nielsen have been well known for many years, the visual appearance serves strong branding purposes: it's very obviously useit.com, it's very recognisable, even standing well back from your screen. Jakob has supported this notion as the reason not to change.