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Do you have a source for him being in a white supremacist militia?

padraic7a 5y ago
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/05/26/belarus-roman-protasevich-plane-nazis-ukraine/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/05/26/belarus-roman-protasevich...
- octodog 5y ago
  That article links to a tweet in Ukrainian that seems to be disputed [0]. Do you have another source? [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1397273535685476359 https://mobile.twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1397273535...
- tzmudzin 5y ago
  Counter-view: http://euromaidanpress.com/2021/05/26/protasevich-is-a-dissident-not-a-neo-nazi/ http://euromaidanpress.com/2021/05/26/protasevich-is-a-dissi... Where truth dies so easily, make your own judgement.
  - f6v 5y ago
    From the link: > Conspiracy theorist Ivan Katchanovski, known in Ukraine for online ballistic “expertise” of trees on Instytutska square to “prove” Maidan protesters shot each other Which invalidates it right away. I’m yet to hear a convincing story from the Ukrainian government about who shot people on Maidan.
f6v 5y ago
The interview from 2015 features an anonymous Belorussian combatant [0]. Recently, the same picture with his face was shown to be on his phone. [0] https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/2882285/2882285_900.jpg https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/28822...
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maratc 5y ago
It's interesting to see this[0] on svaboda.org which certainly cannot be considered Putin/Lukashenka's propaganda by anyone. I'm not saying "he was in a white supremacist militia" but if that's him in [0] (cf. [1] — claimed to be a picture of his phone) then maybe he was at some time a part of Azov batallion. It's still unclear in what function he was there though. [0] https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html [1] https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27 https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27
- f6v 5y ago
  Does it matter? Even if he was a chef there, it’s still a god awful organization.
  - maratc 5y ago
    Of course it does matter, e.g. if he was there as a journalist. Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS are all god-awful organizations — as is Belarus own OMON — but being with them while on a journalist mission is not a crime.
berdario 5y ago
There are pictures of him wearing neo-nazi imagery https://twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1397513031618371592 https://twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/13975130316183715... Since I never heard of "SvaStone" before, a quick search confirms that the brand sold other tshirts with the least subtle slogans possible, like: "White baby — the future of our race." https://huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/facebook-nazi-clothing-extremism_n_5b5b5cb3e4b0fd5c73cf2986 https://huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/facebook-nazi-clothing-ex...
- redleader55 5y ago
  It's interesting that we are exposing "neo-nazis", but when you are a communist no one bats an eye.
  - f6v 5y ago
    Well, even the US blocked the military aid to Azov on the nazism grounds. So everyone who was even standing near those people should be questioned.
  - berdario 5y ago
    I'm afraid that talking about communism here is just derailing the discussion, for multiple reasons: 1- Communists aren't in power in Belarus (nor Russia) 2- Protasevich is not a communist 3- None of the discussion that's happening is about seizing the means of production 4- Being a neo-nazi is not bad because the word starts with a "N", it's bad because the ideology behind it advocates for racial conflict and ethnic cleansing.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/05/26/belarus-roman-protasevich-plane-nazis-ukraine/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/05/26/belarus-roman-protasevich...

octodog 5y ago
That article links to a tweet in Ukrainian that seems to be disputed [0]. Do you have another source? [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1397273535685476359 https://mobile.twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1397273535...
tzmudzin 5y ago
Counter-view: http://euromaidanpress.com/2021/05/26/protasevich-is-a-dissident-not-a-neo-nazi/ http://euromaidanpress.com/2021/05/26/protasevich-is-a-dissi... Where truth dies so easily, make your own judgement.
- f6v 5y ago
  From the link: > Conspiracy theorist Ivan Katchanovski, known in Ukraine for online ballistic “expertise” of trees on Instytutska square to “prove” Maidan protesters shot each other Which invalidates it right away. I’m yet to hear a convincing story from the Ukrainian government about who shot people on Maidan.

f6v 5y ago

The interview from 2015 features an anonymous Belorussian combatant [0]. Recently, the same picture with his face was shown to be on his phone. [0] https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/2882285/2882285_900.jpg https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/28822...

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maratc 5y ago

It's interesting to see this[0] on svaboda.org which certainly cannot be considered Putin/Lukashenka's propaganda by anyone. I'm not saying "he was in a white supremacist militia" but if that's him in [0] (cf. [1] — claimed to be a picture of his phone) then maybe he was at some time a part of Azov batallion. It's still unclear in what function he was there though. [0] https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html [1] https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27 https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27

f6v 5y ago
Does it matter? Even if he was a chef there, it’s still a god awful organization.
- maratc 5y ago
  Of course it does matter, e.g. if he was there as a journalist. Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS are all god-awful organizations — as is Belarus own OMON — but being with them while on a journalist mission is not a crime.

berdario 5y ago

There are pictures of him wearing neo-nazi imagery https://twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1397513031618371592 https://twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/13975130316183715... Since I never heard of "SvaStone" before, a quick search confirms that the brand sold other tshirts with the least subtle slogans possible, like: "White baby — the future of our race." https://huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/facebook-nazi-clothing-extremism_n_5b5b5cb3e4b0fd5c73cf2986 https://huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/facebook-nazi-clothing-ex...

redleader55 5y ago
It's interesting that we are exposing "neo-nazis", but when you are a communist no one bats an eye.
- f6v 5y ago
  Well, even the US blocked the military aid to Azov on the nazism grounds. So everyone who was even standing near those people should be questioned.
- berdario 5y ago
  I'm afraid that talking about communism here is just derailing the discussion, for multiple reasons: 1- Communists aren't in power in Belarus (nor Russia) 2- Protasevich is not a communist 3- None of the discussion that's happening is about seizing the means of production 4- Being a neo-nazi is not bad because the word starts with a "N", it's bad because the ideology behind it advocates for racial conflict and ethnic cleansing.