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One man’s journalist is another man’s US Dept. of State sponsored war-fighting neo-nazi https://www.unz.com/akarlin/protasevich-served-in-azov/ https://www.unz

One man’s journalist is another man’s US Dept. of State sponsored war-fighting neo-nazi https://www.unz.com/akarlin/protasevich-served-in-azov/ https://www.unz.com/akarlin/protasevich-served-in-azov/

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uwagar 5y ago
interesting!
versale 5y ago
What? Wait, but they said he's just a journalist.
proxysna 5y ago
The thing is that he never fought. By the time he arrived to the battalion there were no deployments to the frontline anymore. He was in training, took a few photos and left. Biletsky's words differ depending on when you ask him and soldiers that trained with him say that he never was in action. While azov is definitely is not a great bunch, in 2014 it was one of the only groups, alongside with donbas battalion that was accepting volunteers and this was the main attraction. A lot of belarusians and ukranians got there, fought and left and they realized what azov is really about. Tut.by's article: https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27 https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27
- rainworld 5y ago
  And I’m sure his mom bought him that T-shirt!
  - proxysna 5y ago
    And later in Belarus he worked against authoritarian fascist regime and against exactly what azovs ideology now represents. In a country where you are actively pursued by cops for critiquing people in power and cops have no responsibility and any kind of limitations on use of force, being a journalist that even somewhat challenges the system takes balls and dedication. Most of my family got affected by the regime at some point before leaving the country, witnessed massacre in 2011, gov-t staged terrorist acts. And knowing how Belarus needs people like Protasevich, Putilo, Zavadski, Byabenin, Cherkasova i am willfully dismissing his misdoings in favour of his later achievements. I know that people love to let their entire opinion be based on a single article, but let the bigger picture in.
    - versale 5y ago
      > being a journalist that even somewhat challenges the system Would be nice to read his articles if there are any. He's a journalist after all. Right?
      - proxysna 5y ago
        Right Worked for euroradio https://euroradio.fm/en/anarchists-describe-their-arrests-i-will-give-you-falafel-if-you-sign-it https://euroradio.fm/en/anarchists-describe-their-arrests-i-... https://euroradio.fm/en/young-man-imprisoned-drug-related-crime-commits-suicide https://euroradio.fm/en/young-man-imprisoned-drug-related-cr... https://euroradio.fm/en/girl-you-better-go-do-some-work-and-other-stories-signature-collectors https://euroradio.fm/en/girl-you-better-go-do-some-work-and-... https://euroradio.fm/en/lithuania-prepares-potential-belnpp-accident https://euroradio.fm/en/lithuania-prepares-potential-belnpp-... Moved to poland fearing arrest. Joined Nexta. Biggest belarusian tg channel. https://t.me/s/nexta_live https://t.me/s/nexta_live Enjoy, most of the stuff before september 28th. edit: Anarchists in Belarus are actively persecuted by kgb over the last 20 years. They are seen as enemies of the state and are constantly watched. Police brutality, election fraud, are themes that are very taboo in state media, and journalists that write about these things are often arrested because of treir work.
        versale 5y ago
        I was interested in his earlier pieces: it’s been stated that Protasevich joined Azov as a journalist, not a neo-nazi combatant. Did he write anything about his experience in Azov?
- maratc 5y ago
  It's interesting to see this [0] on svaboda.org which certainly cannot be considered Putin/Lukashenka's propaganda by anyone. [0] https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html
  - proxysna 5y ago
    While this is Protasevich's photo. Age in the article does not line up he was 19 at the moment of article publication, Protasevich joined Pahonya division at a later date, not when the division was just formed.
    - maratc 5y ago
      The article does not say he's 22; it quotes "Kim" reporting his age as 22. While Protasevich was 20 at the publication time, he could have concealed his age, e.g. to prevent identification.
      - proxysna 5y ago
        They could have used other soldiers photo to conceal identity. Again, Protasevich joined Pahonya at a later date, not at the very start.
        maratc 5y ago
        I don't seem to get what you're saying. Do you suggest svaboda.org used a photo from the future when it published that article on September 18, 2015? If you're not saying that, I think we can agree he was there on that date or before.
        proxysna 5y ago
        Nope, i am saying just like they gave away fake age for the reporter, they could've used just some random photo from backlog of a nondescript soldier with azov patch to put into article. I am not arguing that was not there. I am just arguing that the article is not really a proof of him being a combatant.

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uwagar 5y ago

interesting!

versale 5y ago

What? Wait, but they said he's just a journalist.

proxysna 5y ago

The thing is that he never fought. By the time he arrived to the battalion there were no deployments to the frontline anymore. He was in training, took a few photos and left. Biletsky's words differ depending on when you ask him and soldiers that trained with him say that he never was in action. While azov is definitely is not a great bunch, in 2014 it was one of the only groups, alongside with donbas battalion that was accepting volunteers and this was the main attraction. A lot of belarusians and ukranians got there, fought and left and they realized what azov is really about. Tut.by's article: https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27 https://telegra.ph/Voeval-li-Protasevich-v-Ukraine-05-27

rainworld 5y ago
And I’m sure his mom bought him that T-shirt!
- proxysna 5y ago
  And later in Belarus he worked against authoritarian fascist regime and against exactly what azovs ideology now represents. In a country where you are actively pursued by cops for critiquing people in power and cops have no responsibility and any kind of limitations on use of force, being a journalist that even somewhat challenges the system takes balls and dedication. Most of my family got affected by the regime at some point before leaving the country, witnessed massacre in 2011, gov-t staged terrorist acts. And knowing how Belarus needs people like Protasevich, Putilo, Zavadski, Byabenin, Cherkasova i am willfully dismissing his misdoings in favour of his later achievements. I know that people love to let their entire opinion be based on a single article, but let the bigger picture in.
  - versale 5y ago
    > being a journalist that even somewhat challenges the system Would be nice to read his articles if there are any. He's a journalist after all. Right?
    - proxysna 5y ago
      Right Worked for euroradio https://euroradio.fm/en/anarchists-describe-their-arrests-i-will-give-you-falafel-if-you-sign-it https://euroradio.fm/en/anarchists-describe-their-arrests-i-... https://euroradio.fm/en/young-man-imprisoned-drug-related-crime-commits-suicide https://euroradio.fm/en/young-man-imprisoned-drug-related-cr... https://euroradio.fm/en/girl-you-better-go-do-some-work-and-other-stories-signature-collectors https://euroradio.fm/en/girl-you-better-go-do-some-work-and-... https://euroradio.fm/en/lithuania-prepares-potential-belnpp-accident https://euroradio.fm/en/lithuania-prepares-potential-belnpp-... Moved to poland fearing arrest. Joined Nexta. Biggest belarusian tg channel. https://t.me/s/nexta_live https://t.me/s/nexta_live Enjoy, most of the stuff before september 28th. edit: Anarchists in Belarus are actively persecuted by kgb over the last 20 years. They are seen as enemies of the state and are constantly watched. Police brutality, election fraud, are themes that are very taboo in state media, and journalists that write about these things are often arrested because of treir work.
      - versale 5y ago
        I was interested in his earlier pieces: it’s been stated that Protasevich joined Azov as a journalist, not a neo-nazi combatant. Did he write anything about his experience in Azov?
maratc 5y ago
It's interesting to see this [0] on svaboda.org which certainly cannot be considered Putin/Lukashenka's propaganda by anyone. [0] https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html https://www.svaboda.org/a/27255566.html
- proxysna 5y ago
  While this is Protasevich's photo. Age in the article does not line up he was 19 at the moment of article publication, Protasevich joined Pahonya division at a later date, not when the division was just formed.
  - maratc 5y ago
    The article does not say he's 22; it quotes "Kim" reporting his age as 22. While Protasevich was 20 at the publication time, he could have concealed his age, e.g. to prevent identification.
    - proxysna 5y ago
      They could have used other soldiers photo to conceal identity. Again, Protasevich joined Pahonya at a later date, not at the very start.
      - maratc 5y ago
        I don't seem to get what you're saying. Do you suggest svaboda.org used a photo from the future when it published that article on September 18, 2015? If you're not saying that, I think we can agree he was there on that date or before.
        proxysna 5y ago
        Nope, i am saying just like they gave away fake age for the reporter, they could've used just some random photo from backlog of a nondescript soldier with azov patch to put into article. I am not arguing that was not there. I am just arguing that the article is not really a proof of him being a combatant.