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This looks pretty cool, but it’s windows only and doesn’t work outside of VS code. If you want something more full features that works everywhere, I’ve used ht

This looks pretty cool, but it’s windows only and doesn’t work outside of VS code. If you want something more full features that works everywhere, I’ve used https://talonvoice.com/ https://talonvoice.com/ for a while now.

deepstack 5y ago
This is suppose to Free/Libre. Is the source code some where? Can't seem to find it. Also the homebrew seems to be broken. https://talonvoice.com/update/pgUuEYK3vzmYQtF2PMgOyK/appcast.xml https://talonvoice.com/update/pgUuEYK3vzmYQtF2PMgOyK/appcast...
- Xevi 5y ago
  Talon is not open source, but it's free to use.
- dwiel 5y ago
  The author of talon doesnt support homebrew installation. Other people try to add it, but it doesn't work to install that way. Have you tried the installer on the website?
- Centigonal 5y ago
  Talon is free/gratis - It's not open source.
melling 5y ago
at least it appears to be high level. For years people would always comment “I can type faster”, not realizing that we should be able also make it smarter than word by word, or character. https://youtu.be/hGPNs5C1Lp0 https://youtu.be/hGPNs5C1Lp0 Notice this guy is also using his “hat” as a pointing device
- tmccrary55 5y ago
  Neat but it seems like your neck would pay a price. The voice commands are also cool but needing to pause between each one seems like a huge drawback, compared to typing where I can just blaze through.
  - melling 5y ago
    He already paid a price with his hands. That’s why he was forced to find other solutions Eye tracking would be cooler but keyboard/mice alternatives are slow to appear
    - tmccrary55 5y ago
      True but I'd take sore hands over a sore neck and back any day.
  - lunixbochs 5y ago
    You don't really need to pause in Talon if you set it up right and practice: https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896
GordonS 5y ago
I just had a quick try of Talon on Windows, using wav2letter (I don't have Dragon) and the recommended scripts[0]. It... doesn't work well for me at all. I was able to get a couple of simple commands to work in Chrome, sometimes, such as "reload" and "show history". In Visual Studio code, it just spouted a bunch of errors in the console [1], and in JetBrains Rider all it would do it type gobbledygook, like a cat had walked on the keyboard or something. Pretty dissapointing :( The logs also fill up with "WARNING actions: skipped because they have no matching declaration: (user.select_next_token)". It was a bit confusing to use too (apart from not really working, I mean!), as it wasn't clear if I had to use some kind of command to enable voice commands, or if it was litening all the time. Eventually I figured out that it seems to be the latter, but still, it's not clear what commands it has heard and understood - I found myself speaking and nothing was happening, and I had no idea what it had understood. Similarly, I'd say something like "close tab", and it would type some nonsense like "aa&" into the current file - again, no idea what command it was actually trying to use. [0] https://github.com/knausj85/knausj_talon https://github.com/knausj85/knausj_talon [1] "No such file or directory: 'C:\\Users\\MyUser\\AppData\\Local\\Temp\\vscode-port'"
- lunixbochs 5y ago
  I recommend asking about hiccups on the Slack [1]. My basic analysis is you're missing a vscode-side plugin, you might need to restart Talon once after dropping in knausj_talon, and that your statement of "it doesn't really work" comes mostly from you guessing command phrases that don't exist. It's a strict command system - you need to learn/know the commands, you can't say just anything and expect it to work. It's a tool to be learned and practiced, it's not fully optimized for out of the box experience (yet), currently more optimized for customization and total control by people who have the time and motivation to go hands free (e.g. due to limited motor function). This is what it can look like if you practice a bit: [2] --- Some recommendations: - say "say hello world" - say "help alphabet" - say "help context" - say "command history" - say "dictation mode" then speak freely, then say "command mode" - Try chaosparrot's Talon Practice [3] [1] https://talonvoice.com/chat https://talonvoice.com/chat [2] https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 [3] https://chaosparrot.github.io/talon_practice/lessons/formatting.html https://chaosparrot.github.io/talon_practice/lessons/formatt...
Centigonal 5y ago
Here's a good talk from a senior (now staff) engineer at Fastly who uses Talon daily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU

deepstack 5y ago

This is suppose to Free/Libre. Is the source code some where? Can't seem to find it. Also the homebrew seems to be broken. https://talonvoice.com/update/pgUuEYK3vzmYQtF2PMgOyK/appcast.xml https://talonvoice.com/update/pgUuEYK3vzmYQtF2PMgOyK/appcast...

Xevi 5y ago
Talon is not open source, but it's free to use.
dwiel 5y ago
The author of talon doesnt support homebrew installation. Other people try to add it, but it doesn't work to install that way. Have you tried the installer on the website?
Centigonal 5y ago
Talon is free/gratis - It's not open source.

melling 5y ago

at least it appears to be high level. For years people would always comment “I can type faster”, not realizing that we should be able also make it smarter than word by word, or character. https://youtu.be/hGPNs5C1Lp0 https://youtu.be/hGPNs5C1Lp0 Notice this guy is also using his “hat” as a pointing device

tmccrary55 5y ago
Neat but it seems like your neck would pay a price. The voice commands are also cool but needing to pause between each one seems like a huge drawback, compared to typing where I can just blaze through.
- melling 5y ago
  He already paid a price with his hands. That’s why he was forced to find other solutions Eye tracking would be cooler but keyboard/mice alternatives are slow to appear
  - tmccrary55 5y ago
    True but I'd take sore hands over a sore neck and back any day.
- lunixbochs 5y ago
  You don't really need to pause in Talon if you set it up right and practice: https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896

GordonS 5y ago

I just had a quick try of Talon on Windows, using wav2letter (I don't have Dragon) and the recommended scripts[0]. It... doesn't work well for me at all. I was able to get a couple of simple commands to work in Chrome, sometimes, such as "reload" and "show history". In Visual Studio code, it just spouted a bunch of errors in the console [1], and in JetBrains Rider all it would do it type gobbledygook, like a cat had walked on the keyboard or something. Pretty dissapointing :( The logs also fill up with "WARNING actions: skipped because they have no matching declaration: (user.select_next_token)". It was a bit confusing to use too (apart from not really working, I mean!), as it wasn't clear if I had to use some kind of command to enable voice commands, or if it was litening all the time. Eventually I figured out that it seems to be the latter, but still, it's not clear what commands it has heard and understood - I found myself speaking and nothing was happening, and I had no idea what it had understood. Similarly, I'd say something like "close tab", and it would type some nonsense like "aa&" into the current file - again, no idea what command it was actually trying to use. [0] https://github.com/knausj85/knausj_talon https://github.com/knausj85/knausj_talon [1] "No such file or directory: 'C:\\Users\\MyUser\\AppData\\Local\\Temp\\vscode-port'"

lunixbochs 5y ago
I recommend asking about hiccups on the Slack [1]. My basic analysis is you're missing a vscode-side plugin, you might need to restart Talon once after dropping in knausj_talon, and that your statement of "it doesn't really work" comes mostly from you guessing command phrases that don't exist. It's a strict command system - you need to learn/know the commands, you can't say just anything and expect it to work. It's a tool to be learned and practiced, it's not fully optimized for out of the box experience (yet), currently more optimized for customization and total control by people who have the time and motivation to go hands free (e.g. due to limited motor function). This is what it can look like if you practice a bit: [2] --- Some recommendations: - say "say hello world" - say "help alphabet" - say "help context" - say "command history" - say "dictation mode" then speak freely, then say "command mode" - Try chaosparrot's Talon Practice [3] [1] https://talonvoice.com/chat https://talonvoice.com/chat [2] https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 [3] https://chaosparrot.github.io/talon_practice/lessons/formatting.html https://chaosparrot.github.io/talon_practice/lessons/formatt...

Centigonal 5y ago

Here's a good talk from a senior (now staff) engineer at Fastly who uses Talon daily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU