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"A number was burned into every citizen’s brain: six million. Over the course of the Second World War, that’s how many Jews the Nazis had executed. Some had man

by publicola1990 5y ago

"A number was burned into every citizen’s brain: six million. Over the course of the Second World War, that’s how many Jews the Nazis had executed. Some had managed to flee, many of them to the British-controlled territory, Mandatory Palestine, and they were now fighting for a Jewish homeland in the Levant." As per estimates Nazis executed more Slavs than Jews, yet it seemed etched in narratives like this as a Jewish tragedy, whereas in actuality it was a broader holocaust, including massive numbers of Slavs and political opponents like Communists.

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nanna 5y ago
> Nazis executed more Slavs than Jews True if you include Slavs who died on the battlefield, revisionist myth if not, one designed to deflect the culpability of Slavs in countries like Lithuania, Latvia and Poland for the Holocaust. Slavs were despised by the Nazis, but not as much as Jews. Or Roma and Sinti, for that matter, who in proportion to their population size faired even worse. Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, gays, lesbians, prostitutes, autists and people with down's syndrome were also targeted by the Nazi genocide. But there was no Final Solution for the Slavs - not at least until the Nazis were done with the others first.
- chewz 5y ago
  > True if you include Slavs who died on the battlefield This isn’t true. Out of six milions Poles who perished during WW2 most were non-combatants. Largest causualties in single battle (Budziszyn) costed Polish c.a. 50 thousand soldiers. And there were not that many battles for Polish armies… Yes the persecution of Slavs were more random but numbers far larger.. Around 6 million Polish citizens perished during World War II: about one fifth of the pre-war population.[1] Most were civilian victims of the war crimes and crimes against humanity during the occupation by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.[] [] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Pol... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment „All Poles will disappear from the world,” Heinrich Himmler said, It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles.” [] [] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-t...
- mountainb 5y ago
  This is just wrong. I would suggest reading any one volume history on WW2 from a reputable source or just auditing a class at any university. Just read one source on the conquest of Poland or a summary of Mein Kampf. The entire justification for Barbarossa was to enslave and exterminate the Slavs to create living space for Germany. It's also flat out wrong if you consider the number of civilian deaths in the USSR during the war. It's also weird that you don't bring up Romania, the most loyal and enthusiastic Eastern European member of the Axis, when talking about Eastern European collaborators with Nazi occupation. Lithuania and Latvia are teensy. The entire Polish middle class was effectively rounded up and killed as a deliberate policy. There's no prize in the World War 2 Victim Olympics but that is no reason to repeat extreme distortions. If anything distortions like this contribute to more contemporary Neo-Nazism than the alternative, because a lot of people whom Hitler would have considered to be mongrels or subhuman think that they would have been in the master race because they aren't familiar with what the Nazis actually wanted to achieve and how they perceived non-Aryans (by their definition).
mensetmanusman 5y ago
Not sure why you are getting downvoted pointing out that there were multiple facets of suffering during the last century. The human-brought famines that swept through Russia/China/etc. claimed more than 100,000,000 lives in the attempt to create a stronger humanity.

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nanna 5y ago

> Nazis executed more Slavs than Jews True if you include Slavs who died on the battlefield, revisionist myth if not, one designed to deflect the culpability of Slavs in countries like Lithuania, Latvia and Poland for the Holocaust. Slavs were despised by the Nazis, but not as much as Jews. Or Roma and Sinti, for that matter, who in proportion to their population size faired even worse. Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, gays, lesbians, prostitutes, autists and people with down's syndrome were also targeted by the Nazi genocide. But there was no Final Solution for the Slavs - not at least until the Nazis were done with the others first.

chewz 5y ago
> True if you include Slavs who died on the battlefield This isn’t true. Out of six milions Poles who perished during WW2 most were non-combatants. Largest causualties in single battle (Budziszyn) costed Polish c.a. 50 thousand soldiers. And there were not that many battles for Polish armies… Yes the persecution of Slavs were more random but numbers far larger.. Around 6 million Polish citizens perished during World War II: about one fifth of the pre-war population.[1] Most were civilian victims of the war crimes and crimes against humanity during the occupation by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.[] [] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Pol... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment „All Poles will disappear from the world,” Heinrich Himmler said, It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles.” [] [] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-t...
mountainb 5y ago
This is just wrong. I would suggest reading any one volume history on WW2 from a reputable source or just auditing a class at any university. Just read one source on the conquest of Poland or a summary of Mein Kampf. The entire justification for Barbarossa was to enslave and exterminate the Slavs to create living space for Germany. It's also flat out wrong if you consider the number of civilian deaths in the USSR during the war. It's also weird that you don't bring up Romania, the most loyal and enthusiastic Eastern European member of the Axis, when talking about Eastern European collaborators with Nazi occupation. Lithuania and Latvia are teensy. The entire Polish middle class was effectively rounded up and killed as a deliberate policy. There's no prize in the World War 2 Victim Olympics but that is no reason to repeat extreme distortions. If anything distortions like this contribute to more contemporary Neo-Nazism than the alternative, because a lot of people whom Hitler would have considered to be mongrels or subhuman think that they would have been in the master race because they aren't familiar with what the Nazis actually wanted to achieve and how they perceived non-Aryans (by their definition).

mensetmanusman 5y ago

Not sure why you are getting downvoted pointing out that there were multiple facets of suffering during the last century. The human-brought famines that swept through Russia/China/etc. claimed more than 100,000,000 lives in the attempt to create a stronger humanity.