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> someone else will move in who lives outside the city I don't really see this as a gotcha. Those would-be new arrivals to the city don't materialize out of th

> someone else will move in who lives outside the city I don't really see this as a gotcha. Those would-be new arrivals to the city don't materialize out of thin air. Presumably they left some other place behind, and their migration is freeing up housing stock wherever they leave behind. The underlying dynamic is still the same. New housing increases low-end affordability by soaking up mid-end demand for old housing stock. Maybe you build housing in the Bay Area, and all it does is bring in new people who pay the same market rate. But that migration will free up housing stock in Ohio. The only difference is that instead of helping the house poor in your local area the policy helps the house poor in flyover country. Unless you place a lot more moral weight on helping Californians than Midwesterners, what's the difference?

slg 5y ago
>Unless you place a lot more moral weight on helping Californians than Midwesterners, what's the difference? The difference is that housing costs take up a much higher percentage of wages in California than Ohio and as a result there are many many more homeless people in California than Ohio. Sure, if you want to take a holistic view of the entire planet, the people have to come from somewhere and there is a finite demand for global housing. However that just isn't a practical way to look at it when the problems are localized. Different cities and regions have varying levels of desirability. It makes sense to build housing in those cities and regions for a wide spectrum of the population. The solution shouldn't just be "if you are poor, move to Ohio".
thethimble 5y ago
With this logic, it’s not necessary to build housing at all. There’s plenty of extremely low cost housing available in South Dakota.
havelhovel 5y ago
My sense of community would have to be severely damaged or underdeveloped to be content with municipal policies possibly helping individuals who live thousands of miles away while passing by people living in tents on a daily basis.
Seattle3503 5y ago
> But that migration will free up housing stock in Ohio. You don't need to go as far as Ohio, just a commuter suburb.
c22 5y ago
We're already there. The US has 15.6 million vacant homes [0] and only around 567,000 homeless people [1]. Unfortunately people skirting homelessness often don't have the resources to pick up and move half way across the country so you're going to need a radical proposal for moving the homeless to where the homes are. [0] https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf [1] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness-2020/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless...

slg 5y ago

>Unless you place a lot more moral weight on helping Californians than Midwesterners, what's the difference? The difference is that housing costs take up a much higher percentage of wages in California than Ohio and as a result there are many many more homeless people in California than Ohio. Sure, if you want to take a holistic view of the entire planet, the people have to come from somewhere and there is a finite demand for global housing. However that just isn't a practical way to look at it when the problems are localized. Different cities and regions have varying levels of desirability. It makes sense to build housing in those cities and regions for a wide spectrum of the population. The solution shouldn't just be "if you are poor, move to Ohio".

thethimble 5y ago

With this logic, it’s not necessary to build housing at all. There’s plenty of extremely low cost housing available in South Dakota.

havelhovel 5y ago

My sense of community would have to be severely damaged or underdeveloped to be content with municipal policies possibly helping individuals who live thousands of miles away while passing by people living in tents on a daily basis.

Seattle3503 5y ago

> But that migration will free up housing stock in Ohio. You don't need to go as far as Ohio, just a commuter suburb.

c22 5y ago

We're already there. The US has 15.6 million vacant homes [0] and only around 567,000 homeless people [1]. Unfortunately people skirting homelessness often don't have the resources to pick up and move half way across the country so you're going to need a radical proposal for moving the homeless to where the homes are. [0] https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf [1] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness-2020/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless...