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I personally believe we crossed that Rubicon once we granted the play store our vaccination status, contact tracing strangers etc. That was the undeniable shif

I personally believe we crossed that Rubicon once we granted the play store our vaccination status, contact tracing strangers etc. That was the undeniable shift towards hard totalitarianism.

swader999 5y ago
The censorship on vaccine talk, questioning election results, woke speak. Seems like they are ramping up aliens to be the next big thing to fear. Google and Facebook have way more on me than a telestrator ever could. It's almost God like what they can see. They've made deals to share this with the Gov to bypass constitutional limitations.
Bud 5y ago
Um, clearly it's not undeniable, because I deny it. What precisely scares you so much about vaccination status being somewhat public? There's precisely zero threat to any real liberties there. And it's laughable to call this "hard totalitarianism". As an aside, this didn't even happen, of course; we didn't "grant the play store our vaccination status". Never happened.
- swader999 5y ago
  Because it's practically being used to restrict travel, employment and access to many things. What if you've already developed immunity through infection? Why should you be forced into it? This received emergency authorisation when public debate on the matter was heavily censored through government and big tech partnerships and complicit centralized media outlets. If treatments with drugs like invermectin were given a fair consideration then it's likely these vaccines couldn't have been authorised under the emergency use protocols. More on this here: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/i-dont-know-of-a-bigger-story-in-the-world-right-now-than-ivermectin-ny-times-best-selling-author.html https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/i-dont-know-of-a-big...
  - loopz 5y ago
    Vaccine status may grant more freedoms to more people, but can only happen with some degree of controlling the masses. You have to at some point, see beyond your nose tip.
    - swader999 5y ago
      Nobody is being given anything. We already have freedom of movement, association and equal access to education and employment. Now through this passport they will be taking freedom from those without. And of course it will be scanned and forever noted on entry every where its asked for.
      - loopz 5y ago
        Laws during medical/health crisis take away your freedoms, and provide governments with powers and levers to remedy the situation.
        swader999 5y ago
        Yes but we need a functioning press without censorship to have faith that laws made in these times are legitimate.
        loopz 5y ago
        I can choose media, ranging from the shocking, hysterical and to the somber and predictable. The former being privately owned, and the latter state owned. So I see private media as entertainment and shock value / horror-show.
  - Bud 5y ago
    One obvious reason is that immunity via infection is significantly inferior to that granted by vaccination. Also, please don't exaggerate; nobody is being "forced into" vaccination. To the extent that restrictions are being put in place, that is happening to save lives. I for one am glad of that. Ivermectin, btw, which you misspelled, is not a good or even average treatment for covid-19. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul...
- throwitaway1235 5y ago
  What "never happened" lol? My state of NY has the Excelsior Pass as an app for download on the play store, which has my vaccination status. You are literally denying objective reality. Google nor any other private non-health corporation has any right to that information.
  - Bud 5y ago
    It never happened. Why are you telling outright lies in public? Obviously the download of that app is entirely voluntary, and just as obviously, Google has no clue about your status unless you disclose it to them.

I personally believe we crossed that Rubicon once we granted the play store our vaccination status, contact tracing strangers etc. That was the undeniable shift towards hard totalitarianism.

swader999 5y ago

The censorship on vaccine talk, questioning election results, woke speak. Seems like they are ramping up aliens to be the next big thing to fear. Google and Facebook have way more on me than a telestrator ever could. It's almost God like what they can see. They've made deals to share this with the Gov to bypass constitutional limitations.

Bud 5y ago

Um, clearly it's not undeniable, because I deny it. What precisely scares you so much about vaccination status being somewhat public? There's precisely zero threat to any real liberties there. And it's laughable to call this "hard totalitarianism". As an aside, this didn't even happen, of course; we didn't "grant the play store our vaccination status". Never happened.

swader999 5y ago
Because it's practically being used to restrict travel, employment and access to many things. What if you've already developed immunity through infection? Why should you be forced into it? This received emergency authorisation when public debate on the matter was heavily censored through government and big tech partnerships and complicit centralized media outlets. If treatments with drugs like invermectin were given a fair consideration then it's likely these vaccines couldn't have been authorised under the emergency use protocols. More on this here: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/i-dont-know-of-a-bigger-story-in-the-world-right-now-than-ivermectin-ny-times-best-selling-author.html https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/i-dont-know-of-a-big...
- loopz 5y ago
  Vaccine status may grant more freedoms to more people, but can only happen with some degree of controlling the masses. You have to at some point, see beyond your nose tip.
  - swader999 5y ago
    Nobody is being given anything. We already have freedom of movement, association and equal access to education and employment. Now through this passport they will be taking freedom from those without. And of course it will be scanned and forever noted on entry every where its asked for.
    - loopz 5y ago
      Laws during medical/health crisis take away your freedoms, and provide governments with powers and levers to remedy the situation.
      - swader999 5y ago
        Yes but we need a functioning press without censorship to have faith that laws made in these times are legitimate.
        loopz 5y ago
        I can choose media, ranging from the shocking, hysterical and to the somber and predictable. The former being privately owned, and the latter state owned. So I see private media as entertainment and shock value / horror-show.
- Bud 5y ago
  One obvious reason is that immunity via infection is significantly inferior to that granted by vaccination. Also, please don't exaggerate; nobody is being "forced into" vaccination. To the extent that restrictions are being put in place, that is happening to save lives. I for one am glad of that. Ivermectin, btw, which you misspelled, is not a good or even average treatment for covid-19. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul...
throwitaway1235 5y ago
What "never happened" lol? My state of NY has the Excelsior Pass as an app for download on the play store, which has my vaccination status. You are literally denying objective reality. Google nor any other private non-health corporation has any right to that information.
- Bud 5y ago
  It never happened. Why are you telling outright lies in public? Obviously the download of that app is entirely voluntary, and just as obviously, Google has no clue about your status unless you disclose it to them.