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The nice thing for europeans is that if you're part of the eurozone, you can live and work wherever you like. A business doesn't have to be domiciled in the s

The nice thing for europeans is that if you're part of the eurozone, you can live and work wherever you like. A business doesn't have to be domiciled in the same location as its headquarters or employees. In the US, many businesses are domiciled in Deleware with no employees in that state. But I think the question for Hacker News, or at least for the Hackers who are interested in doing startups outside the USA is-- what's the international Delaware? What's the place to domicile your business, with reasonable laws and taxes? Some possibilities I can think of: Hong Kong, Singapore, Cyprus and some of the UK islands like the Isle of Mann might be good. I love Berlin. It is a happening city, and I'm very happy to spend time there. It has a very nice mix of cutting edge modernism and the former east german sections which are still relatively inexpensive. And I just like germans. I think startups can group employees wherever makes sense for their workforce. If its all EU people then berlin might be ideal. But the business doesn't have to be a german business. (Or does it?) Edit to add: Obviously I'm writing this from the perspective of a self-started or bootstrapped business. This perspective isn't likely to be appropriate for people who plan to take outside investment.

timxpp 15y ago
Is saving a few % of taxes that important for an IT company?
- veyron 15y ago
  Choosing the best state based on tax considerations oftentimes reduces tax bill by at least 5% of your net profits. Now, lets say you are making 2M per year. 5% = 100K, which is more than enough to hire another programmer!
  - BvS 15y ago
    I would rather start up in a nice city andy worry about taxes once I'm making 2M a year in profits than risking to live somewhere less enjoyable without knowing if I will ever have to pay taxes anyway.
    - veyron 15y ago
      I agree with the mentality to some extent, but taxes actually matter when you try to bootstrap without a steady income backing you I'm bootstrapping in NYC, for which there are a multitude of taxes and other costs: - Rent is insane, of course :) - LLC Newspaper Publication requirement (why this exists is beyond me) - Large sales taxes (although ST 121.3 ensures you are tax exempt on hardware)
    - econgeeker 15y ago
      You don't have to choose between a nice place and low taxes. high taxes and regulations can give you cities like detroit and chicago while low taxes and regulation can give you cities like hong kong, monaco, panama city, etc. In fact, the point of my comment is that the business could be located in a low tax jurisdiction, resulting in more funds flowing to the bottom line, while the owners and employees could be located somewhere they like, even a high tax jurisdiction if they wanted.
- hussong 15y ago
  It's apparently important for big corporations, but since a complex tax minimization scheme comes with huge setup and running costs, it's not really important for startups that are bootstrapping or seeking funding. I'd even say that a tax-optimized exotic setup would rather limit your funding opportunities.
- econgeeker 15y ago
  A high tax jurisdiction will charge, often, %40 of profits at the corporate level and then another %40 at the personal level. So, for every $100k you bring in, corporate taxes reduce it to $60k and personal income taxes reduce it to $36k. A low tax jurisdiction would might charge %10 corporate taxes and %10 personal taxes, meaning that for $100k in income you're left with $81k. I think more than doubling your net income is worth consideration, especially if it means the difference between being able to afford to continue your startup, or having to go and "get a real job".

timxpp 15y ago

Is saving a few % of taxes that important for an IT company?

veyron 15y ago
Choosing the best state based on tax considerations oftentimes reduces tax bill by at least 5% of your net profits. Now, lets say you are making 2M per year. 5% = 100K, which is more than enough to hire another programmer!
- BvS 15y ago
  I would rather start up in a nice city andy worry about taxes once I'm making 2M a year in profits than risking to live somewhere less enjoyable without knowing if I will ever have to pay taxes anyway.
  - veyron 15y ago
    I agree with the mentality to some extent, but taxes actually matter when you try to bootstrap without a steady income backing you I'm bootstrapping in NYC, for which there are a multitude of taxes and other costs: - Rent is insane, of course :) - LLC Newspaper Publication requirement (why this exists is beyond me) - Large sales taxes (although ST 121.3 ensures you are tax exempt on hardware)
  - econgeeker 15y ago
    You don't have to choose between a nice place and low taxes. high taxes and regulations can give you cities like detroit and chicago while low taxes and regulation can give you cities like hong kong, monaco, panama city, etc. In fact, the point of my comment is that the business could be located in a low tax jurisdiction, resulting in more funds flowing to the bottom line, while the owners and employees could be located somewhere they like, even a high tax jurisdiction if they wanted.
hussong 15y ago
It's apparently important for big corporations, but since a complex tax minimization scheme comes with huge setup and running costs, it's not really important for startups that are bootstrapping or seeking funding. I'd even say that a tax-optimized exotic setup would rather limit your funding opportunities.
econgeeker 15y ago
A high tax jurisdiction will charge, often, %40 of profits at the corporate level and then another %40 at the personal level. So, for every $100k you bring in, corporate taxes reduce it to $60k and personal income taxes reduce it to $36k. A low tax jurisdiction would might charge %10 corporate taxes and %10 personal taxes, meaning that for $100k in income you're left with $81k. I think more than doubling your net income is worth consideration, especially if it means the difference between being able to afford to continue your startup, or having to go and "get a real job".