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> At first there was a time when people were free, they could grow what they wanted and live how they wanted nobody gave a damn because you cannot tell me what

> At first there was a time when people were free, they could grow what they wanted and live how they wanted nobody gave a damn because you cannot tell me what to do with my life. When exactly was that? Because you know, humans are apes. And we don't observe any apes, any monkeys, any primates which are free from their societal norms. So when exactly were humans (or any other kind of ape) entirely free? Before our ancestors even evolved into monkeys? > Say a tiger wanted to claim an area and feed itself and be self sufficient he could do it. Unless other, stronger tiger decided otherwise. And why are you choosing non-social animal to compare to social one? If you want a big cat then pick lion for comparison. Because lions gather into prides (and not without reasons).

dmingod666 5y ago
"When exactly was that? Because you know, humans are apes." An ape can leave its group and move to a different territory and not have someone else decide his life for him. If there is no path for being able to attempt self sustenance, to be able to live and grow your own food, to be able to choose what social group you want to be a part of, you are stuck in the game - you have to make money, whether you like it or not. All other living creature on earth can get by just fine without having imaginary against their name in a database. The cruelty is in the fact that society holds and hoards all the resources that will let you live and will make those available only if you have those imaginary numbers. It is presented as being for the greater good of everyone, but in essence the whole system is put in place so people that don't have resources can be pressured to do the dirty work of the people that have the resources.
- Jorengarenar 5y ago
  Fruits, rotten meat, mushrooms, roots - all of those are still in the jungle. What's holding you back from abandoning the achievements of modern society and embracing the livelihood of primitive, but "free" animal?
- kleer001 5y ago
  > An ape can leave its group and move to a different territory and not have someone else decide his life for him. Ah, the myth of the noble savage taken to evolutionary extreme. I highly recommend Steven Pinker's "The Blank Slate" if you'd like to disabuse yourself of this pernicious old wives tale. Then his "Better angels of our nature" should fix you right up with a more accurate and informed view of the world and society we live in.

dmingod666 5y ago

"When exactly was that? Because you know, humans are apes." An ape can leave its group and move to a different territory and not have someone else decide his life for him. If there is no path for being able to attempt self sustenance, to be able to live and grow your own food, to be able to choose what social group you want to be a part of, you are stuck in the game - you have to make money, whether you like it or not. All other living creature on earth can get by just fine without having imaginary against their name in a database. The cruelty is in the fact that society holds and hoards all the resources that will let you live and will make those available only if you have those imaginary numbers. It is presented as being for the greater good of everyone, but in essence the whole system is put in place so people that don't have resources can be pressured to do the dirty work of the people that have the resources.

Jorengarenar 5y ago
Fruits, rotten meat, mushrooms, roots - all of those are still in the jungle. What's holding you back from abandoning the achievements of modern society and embracing the livelihood of primitive, but "free" animal?
kleer001 5y ago
> An ape can leave its group and move to a different territory and not have someone else decide his life for him. Ah, the myth of the noble savage taken to evolutionary extreme. I highly recommend Steven Pinker's "The Blank Slate" if you'd like to disabuse yourself of this pernicious old wives tale. Then his "Better angels of our nature" should fix you right up with a more accurate and informed view of the world and society we live in.