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Yes. Here are some stats on the breakdown of trust in society: https://medium.com/@slowerdawn/the-decline-of-trust-in-the-united-states-fb8ab719b82a https://me

by toomim 5y ago

Yes. Here are some stats on the breakdown of trust in society: https://medium.com/@slowerdawn/the-decline-of-trust-in-the-united-states-fb8ab719b82a https://medium.com/@slowerdawn/the-decline-of-trust-in-the-u... This animated gif makes it clear: https://invisible.college/reputation/declining-trust.gif https://invisible.college/reputation/declining-trust.gif

slx26 5y ago
Can be trusted with what? Given how complicated life is, I'm actually impressed with how morally people behaves. In that sense, I trust that most people are doing what they can, and they are trying to do no harm to others. But that doesn't mean I trust people to be very competent anyway. Trust what.
- aaron-santos 5y ago
  Do you disagree with either the specific operationalization of trust in the article or even the abstract concept of operationalization of trust in general?
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    I think he is just saying that trusting someone with your walley and trusting someome with your life are different benchmarks
- visualradio 5y ago
  In republics without absolute rulers, individuals trust each other to maintain the state out of a sense of civic duty, and not to declare themselves king. This trust is greatly eroded by calls to eliminate direct taxes on land holders. In America the local property tax is the most important thing holding society together. It provides residents with assurances that regardless of how corrupt the public process for distributing legal tender becomes, that the richest cannot simply buy the entire country and turn the continent into a private estate which their descendants will inherit in perpetuity without paying enormous taxes to everyone else. When James Madison organized the assessment of property taxes at the national level during his presidency it resulted in the 'Era of Good Feelings' and a relative low point of political polarization. In contrast when state governments introduced sales taxes for the first time to reduce property taxes it prolonged the Great Depression, and when NYC gave the largest property tax abatements in the country to Donald Trump it lead to the Trump presidency which increased political polarization.
theteapot 5y ago
Lack of trust is a symptom not the cause. I hate it when I hear politicians and the like bemoan a "lack of trust". I don't want to trust you! I want to hold you to account!
- toomim 5y ago
  Actually trust is both a symptom and a cause. The causality goes both ways. (1) If you lose trust in someone, you'll be less likely to try to find truth in their statements. Finding truth in someone's statements requires time and attention, and we'll invest that attention in people we trust. (2) If you find falsehoods in their statements, you will lose trust in them. Overall in Psychology, trust is a primary indicator of a relationship, marriage, partnership, or organization succeeding or falling apart. It's both a symptom and a cause of all other factors.
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  Deliberately conflating cause & effect is a classic politician’s move. It doesn’t even have to be a reversal of the two: it’s probably even more frequent when they cite one part of a positive feedback loop as the unambiguous cause and the other as the clear effect. The classic example of the later are the politicians who rant “if only these people would get married and stay married, they wouldn’t be so poor” and neglect to consider that impoverished communities create the conditions for rampant single motherhood. The desire to raise children does not magically vanish merely because there are exactly zero worthwhile men in your community that aren’t your father’s age.

by toomim 5y ago

slx26 5y ago

Can be trusted with what? Given how complicated life is, I'm actually impressed with how morally people behaves. In that sense, I trust that most people are doing what they can, and they are trying to do no harm to others. But that doesn't mean I trust people to be very competent anyway. Trust what.

aaron-santos 5y ago
Do you disagree with either the specific operationalization of trust in the article or even the abstract concept of operationalization of trust in general?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  I think he is just saying that trusting someone with your walley and trusting someome with your life are different benchmarks
visualradio 5y ago
In republics without absolute rulers, individuals trust each other to maintain the state out of a sense of civic duty, and not to declare themselves king. This trust is greatly eroded by calls to eliminate direct taxes on land holders. In America the local property tax is the most important thing holding society together. It provides residents with assurances that regardless of how corrupt the public process for distributing legal tender becomes, that the richest cannot simply buy the entire country and turn the continent into a private estate which their descendants will inherit in perpetuity without paying enormous taxes to everyone else. When James Madison organized the assessment of property taxes at the national level during his presidency it resulted in the 'Era of Good Feelings' and a relative low point of political polarization. In contrast when state governments introduced sales taxes for the first time to reduce property taxes it prolonged the Great Depression, and when NYC gave the largest property tax abatements in the country to Donald Trump it lead to the Trump presidency which increased political polarization.

theteapot 5y ago

Lack of trust is a symptom not the cause. I hate it when I hear politicians and the like bemoan a "lack of trust". I don't want to trust you! I want to hold you to account!

toomim 5y ago
Actually trust is both a symptom and a cause. The causality goes both ways. (1) If you lose trust in someone, you'll be less likely to try to find truth in their statements. Finding truth in someone's statements requires time and attention, and we'll invest that attention in people we trust. (2) If you find falsehoods in their statements, you will lose trust in them. Overall in Psychology, trust is a primary indicator of a relationship, marriage, partnership, or organization succeeding or falling apart. It's both a symptom and a cause of all other factors.
BeFlatXIII 5y ago
Deliberately conflating cause & effect is a classic politician’s move. It doesn’t even have to be a reversal of the two: it’s probably even more frequent when they cite one part of a positive feedback loop as the unambiguous cause and the other as the clear effect. The classic example of the later are the politicians who rant “if only these people would get married and stay married, they wouldn’t be so poor” and neglect to consider that impoverished communities create the conditions for rampant single motherhood. The desire to raise children does not magically vanish merely because there are exactly zero worthwhile men in your community that aren’t your father’s age.