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In addition to the valid criticisms in sibling comments: I don’t like that it changes the rules on file ownership in /opt and /usr/local. And it’s petty but I

by mulmen 5y ago

In addition to the valid criticisms in sibling comments: I don’t like that it changes the rules on file ownership in /opt and /usr/local. And it’s petty but I really don’t appreciate the beer brewing metaphor. It doesn’t fit and it feels forced. Giving the project a searchable name is fine but cutesy names are irritating when I have real work to do. Just name the tool and especially commands for what they do. I say this as a person who loves beer.

smoldesu 5y ago
I also hate the brewing metaphors. I don't know why MacOS developers feel so compelled to abstract integral parts of your program away into unrecognizable metaphors. It's like asking for ketchup at the counter of a diner, and they insist that they only have "Heinz Tomato Sauce". Nobody in real life does this because nobody likes a smartass, so it completely escapes me why people think it's suddenly okay to do in software, particularly software designed to be used in a professional, power-user workflow.
- mulmen 5y ago
  It's more like using a plumber analogy to make sandwiches. I mean plumbers eat lunch right? So we can refer to condiments as grout and bread and meat as tiles and pipes are the sandwiches because plumbing. Want a Reuben? That's: plumber tile rye beef-corned plumber grout saurkraut russian Also since this is in the context of making a sandwich a bunch of options to 'plumber' mention things like toaster oven wattage and temperature. set PLUMBER_PREHEAT=350 set PLUMBER_BACKEND=toaster This is all kind of a pain. Let's use pipes. Except for some reason whoever defined this uses thousand island instead of russian dressing and expects the sandwich on a plate. plumber pipe reuben --russian --to-go
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Thanks for clearing this up. I don't make sandwiches very often, but putting it in plumbing terms made it a lot easier to digest!
    - mulmen 5y ago
      I do like the idea of a tool named plumber with leaky abstractions.
hedora 5y ago
I still don’t understand why sometimes I must type “cask” and sometimes I must not type “cask”. No, I didn’t RTFM; I’m sure that would help, but I mostly just avoid homebrew when I can, and that’s worked out OK.
- pxc 5y ago
  brew cask is a whole separate quasi-package management system built around pre-built macOS GUI applications distributed/installed as .app folders, same as you'd get downloading a .dmg from the web them doing a drag and drop install. Think of it as an installer fetcher and runner, as opposed to a collection of integrated and uniformly built packages. It's great, because downloading and running installers manually by clicking around sucks. But it's totally separate from the rest of Homebrew, which is a monorepo of build recipes targeting a separate base system, similar in that basic way to things like pkgsrc and FreeBSD Ports.
eddieh 5y ago
Yes, the beer brewing stuff, formulae, taps, kegs, casks, and bottles stuff is annoying. I have no idea what "keg only" is supposed to mean or why I see that phrase sometimes.

by mulmen 5y ago

smoldesu 5y ago

I also hate the brewing metaphors. I don't know why MacOS developers feel so compelled to abstract integral parts of your program away into unrecognizable metaphors. It's like asking for ketchup at the counter of a diner, and they insist that they only have "Heinz Tomato Sauce". Nobody in real life does this because nobody likes a smartass, so it completely escapes me why people think it's suddenly okay to do in software, particularly software designed to be used in a professional, power-user workflow.

mulmen 5y ago
It's more like using a plumber analogy to make sandwiches. I mean plumbers eat lunch right? So we can refer to condiments as grout and bread and meat as tiles and pipes are the sandwiches because plumbing. Want a Reuben? That's: plumber tile rye beef-corned plumber grout saurkraut russian Also since this is in the context of making a sandwich a bunch of options to 'plumber' mention things like toaster oven wattage and temperature. set PLUMBER_PREHEAT=350 set PLUMBER_BACKEND=toaster This is all kind of a pain. Let's use pipes. Except for some reason whoever defined this uses thousand island instead of russian dressing and expects the sandwich on a plate. plumber pipe reuben --russian --to-go
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Thanks for clearing this up. I don't make sandwiches very often, but putting it in plumbing terms made it a lot easier to digest!
  - mulmen 5y ago
    I do like the idea of a tool named plumber with leaky abstractions.

hedora 5y ago

I still don’t understand why sometimes I must type “cask” and sometimes I must not type “cask”. No, I didn’t RTFM; I’m sure that would help, but I mostly just avoid homebrew when I can, and that’s worked out OK.

pxc 5y ago
brew cask is a whole separate quasi-package management system built around pre-built macOS GUI applications distributed/installed as .app folders, same as you'd get downloading a .dmg from the web them doing a drag and drop install. Think of it as an installer fetcher and runner, as opposed to a collection of integrated and uniformly built packages. It's great, because downloading and running installers manually by clicking around sucks. But it's totally separate from the rest of Homebrew, which is a monorepo of build recipes targeting a separate base system, similar in that basic way to things like pkgsrc and FreeBSD Ports.

eddieh 5y ago

Yes, the beer brewing stuff, formulae, taps, kegs, casks, and bottles stuff is annoying. I have no idea what "keg only" is supposed to mean or why I see that phrase sometimes.