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> Are you aware that carbon credits market ia one big fraud, with "overestimates" averaging 50x? Carbon credits were a scam from the beginning. ( The same guy

> Are you aware that carbon credits market ia one big fraud, with "overestimates" averaging 50x? Carbon credits were a scam from the beginning. ( The same guy promoting them pointed to the market he owned as the solution, Al Gore ) Don't get me wrong they have huge potential but are really a false market at the moment. More like protection money or wealth transfer. > If I am choosing a washing machine, are they labelled with amount of CO2 emitted in production of each? If the company lies to me about this, does anyone go to jail? I think arguments like this let the individual again place blame on the manufacturer and not that they are an uneducated consumer ( caveat emptor ). Of course if you purchase a washing machine you must understand it took carbon for the entire production of the machine starting with the excavator that pulled the iron out of the ground to the truck that delivered it. The one that takes 'less' carbon is easy, fix the old one, or don't buy one and go the the coin laundry. But blaming the manufacturer who is currently operating within the governing authorities guidelines is disingenuous.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"The one that takes 'less' carbon is easy ... go the the coin laundry. " Thank you for providing exibit A - blaming the consumer for being uneducated and yet getting it all wrong yourself -> Your frequent trips to the laundry will produce much more carbon than you could ever save by not buying an appliance that serves for 10 years on average. "But blaming the manufacturer who is currently operating within the governing authorities guidelines is disingenuous." But blamind the consumer who is currently operating withing governing authorities guidelines is fair game. HN morality at it's finest, when corporations have more rights than people do.
- kokanator 5y ago
  > Your frequent trips to the laundry will produce much more carbon than you could ever save by not buying an appliance that serves for 10 years on average. Not if you go to the laundry next to the grocery. Why would you spend more money on fuel when you could combine a trip? > But blamind the consumer who is currently operating withing governing authorities guidelines is fair game. The consumer is the one that influences the market and has the power to remove or advance politicians. If there is no market to fill the producer will no longer produce. Do you think manufacturing moved to China because the corporations liked China and the logistics or because people would actually buy cheeper products made in China?
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    "Why would you spend more money on fuel when you could combine a trip?" Because there is no laundry next to my grocery store? Or Because you have to wait for hours for the laundry to finish, so for some people it's two trips, or because there are queues. There are no carbon savings in using a laundry, and this discourse in carbon accounting illustrates the problem perfectly - it is not possible for a consumer to trace the supply chain used by some megacorp which combines 150 minerals from 50 countries over 6 modes of transport to conclude anything accurate about carbon footprint. You mention politicians, but thats only coming round to politicians and regulation because the market has failed.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"The one that takes 'less' carbon is easy ... go the the coin laundry. " Thank you for providing exibit A - blaming the consumer for being uneducated and yet getting it all wrong yourself -> Your frequent trips to the laundry will produce much more carbon than you could ever save by not buying an appliance that serves for 10 years on average. "But blaming the manufacturer who is currently operating within the governing authorities guidelines is disingenuous." But blamind the consumer who is currently operating withing governing authorities guidelines is fair game. HN morality at it's finest, when corporations have more rights than people do.

kokanator 5y ago
> Your frequent trips to the laundry will produce much more carbon than you could ever save by not buying an appliance that serves for 10 years on average. Not if you go to the laundry next to the grocery. Why would you spend more money on fuel when you could combine a trip? > But blamind the consumer who is currently operating withing governing authorities guidelines is fair game. The consumer is the one that influences the market and has the power to remove or advance politicians. If there is no market to fill the producer will no longer produce. Do you think manufacturing moved to China because the corporations liked China and the logistics or because people would actually buy cheeper products made in China?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "Why would you spend more money on fuel when you could combine a trip?" Because there is no laundry next to my grocery store? Or Because you have to wait for hours for the laundry to finish, so for some people it's two trips, or because there are queues. There are no carbon savings in using a laundry, and this discourse in carbon accounting illustrates the problem perfectly - it is not possible for a consumer to trace the supply chain used by some megacorp which combines 150 minerals from 50 countries over 6 modes of transport to conclude anything accurate about carbon footprint. You mention politicians, but thats only coming round to politicians and regulation because the market has failed.