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You need to provide a reliable source for your fantastical claim that "capitalism’s death toll far exceeds 100 million". You're trying to deflect because you do

You need to provide a reliable source for your fantastical claim that "capitalism’s death toll far exceeds 100 million". You're trying to deflect because you don't have one.

lucian1900 5y ago
There are various studies putting deaths by poverty in between 2 and 20+ million a year. Just lack of clean water is generally around 8 million. None of these are seriously disputed. Capitalism has existed for long enough to far exceed 100. However to understand that capitalism causes poverty you would need to first understand its mechanisms. I recommend Lenin’s Imperialism if you’re serious about learning.
- alentist 5y ago
  Economic freedom reduces poverty. https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114319_3 https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114319_3 > Compared to those that were less free, countries with higher economic freedom ratings during 1980–2005 had lower rates of both extreme and moderate poverty in 2005. More importantly, countries with higher levels of economic freedom in 1980 and larger increases in economic freedom during the 1980s and 1990s achieved larger poverty rate reductions than economies that were less free. These relationships were true even after adjustment for geographic and locational factors and foreign assistance as a share of income. The positive relations between the level and change in economic freedom and reductions in poverty were both statistically significant and robust across alternative specifications. > Some fear that growth propelled by economic freedom will leave the poor behind. This was not the case during 1980–2005. During this quarter of a century, the developing countries that moved the most toward economic freedom achieved both strong economic growth and substantial reductions in poverty. This indicates that an institutional and policy environment consistent with economic freedom is an important ingredient for progress against poverty. https://www.mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/the-relationship-between-economic-freedom-and-poverty-rates-cross-country-evidence-101628jite-2020-0042 https://www.mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/the-relationship-betw... > We study the relationship between economic freedom and poverty rates in 151 countries over a twenty-year period. Using the World Bank's poverty headcounts of those living on less than $1.90 per day, $3.20 per day, and $5.50 per day, we find evidence that economic freedom, measured by the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, is associated with lower poverty rates. We also test the effect of various components of the Index of Economic Freedom. We find that a government's integrity and a country's trade freedom are associated with lower poverty rates. We check the robustness of our results using alternative freedom indices. See also https://cei.org/blog/why-economic-freedom-is-the-best-weapon-against-poverty/ https://cei.org/blog/why-economic-freedom-is-the-best-weapon.... If you're serious about learning, I suggest putting down outdated ideological texts and looking at the actual data.
lucian1900 5y ago
This is probably the closest to a single source, I’d forgotten about it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40923001-giants https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40923001-giants It puts the present death toll of capitalism at around 9 million a year, so a mere decade or so to surpass 100. This without counting the significant historical death toll too.

You need to provide a reliable source for your fantastical claim that "capitalism’s death toll far exceeds 100 million". You're trying to deflect because you don't have one.

lucian1900 5y ago

There are various studies putting deaths by poverty in between 2 and 20+ million a year. Just lack of clean water is generally around 8 million. None of these are seriously disputed. Capitalism has existed for long enough to far exceed 100. However to understand that capitalism causes poverty you would need to first understand its mechanisms. I recommend Lenin’s Imperialism if you’re serious about learning.

alentist 5y ago
Economic freedom reduces poverty. https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114319_3 https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114319_3 > Compared to those that were less free, countries with higher economic freedom ratings during 1980–2005 had lower rates of both extreme and moderate poverty in 2005. More importantly, countries with higher levels of economic freedom in 1980 and larger increases in economic freedom during the 1980s and 1990s achieved larger poverty rate reductions than economies that were less free. These relationships were true even after adjustment for geographic and locational factors and foreign assistance as a share of income. The positive relations between the level and change in economic freedom and reductions in poverty were both statistically significant and robust across alternative specifications. > Some fear that growth propelled by economic freedom will leave the poor behind. This was not the case during 1980–2005. During this quarter of a century, the developing countries that moved the most toward economic freedom achieved both strong economic growth and substantial reductions in poverty. This indicates that an institutional and policy environment consistent with economic freedom is an important ingredient for progress against poverty. https://www.mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/the-relationship-between-economic-freedom-and-poverty-rates-cross-country-evidence-101628jite-2020-0042 https://www.mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/the-relationship-betw... > We study the relationship between economic freedom and poverty rates in 151 countries over a twenty-year period. Using the World Bank's poverty headcounts of those living on less than $1.90 per day, $3.20 per day, and $5.50 per day, we find evidence that economic freedom, measured by the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, is associated with lower poverty rates. We also test the effect of various components of the Index of Economic Freedom. We find that a government's integrity and a country's trade freedom are associated with lower poverty rates. We check the robustness of our results using alternative freedom indices. See also https://cei.org/blog/why-economic-freedom-is-the-best-weapon-against-poverty/ https://cei.org/blog/why-economic-freedom-is-the-best-weapon.... If you're serious about learning, I suggest putting down outdated ideological texts and looking at the actual data.

lucian1900 5y ago

This is probably the closest to a single source, I’d forgotten about it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40923001-giants https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40923001-giants It puts the present death toll of capitalism at around 9 million a year, so a mere decade or so to surpass 100. This without counting the significant historical death toll too.