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Yeah no thanks. “Junkie criminal” as if you knew him personally. And to think the protests were about a single person - clearly you don’t care enough to be info

• lightgreen 5y ago
  > “Junkie criminal” as if you knew him personally I did not get that. Do I need to know him personally to know that he has junkie and a criminal? > And to think the protests were about a single person Sure protests were for all good and against all bad. But there were too many posters about George Floyd and other black criminals, there was too many lies in crime statistics posted by left-wing media supporting these protests, so let's say these protesters were misinformed at best. > clearly you don’t care enough to be informed. Well, you have formed your opinion about what I know and what I don't (not the first time in this thread). It's not my job to convince you otherwise. Continue living in an imaginary world where everyone who disagree with you is literally nazi. > I am of the opinion that you should not be on the side of nazis, ever. Thank you for your opinion, but I'm not on the side of nazis. I'm on the side of freedom of speech and other human rights. > Siding with people who want to take away the rights of everyone who doesn’t look like them is kind of a little hypocritical on your part I'm not "siding" with these people. I try protect their rights and freedom as well as rights and freedoms of anyone else. I'll try to explain the difference, but it is so obvious, so explanation might be hard. There are two reasons: humanist and practical. First, even serial killers and rapists deserve humane treatment, right to fair trial etc. Including free speech. Abandoning eye for an eye principle is also a great achievement of the western civilization. Second, if society today decides it is acceptable to take speech rights from nazis, tomorrow it will decide it can take speech rights from communists, day after tomorrow you won't be able to talk freely. It happened too often throughout history, even in modern times, literally in the last decade (I'm not talking about the US, but it applies to the US to some degree).
  • bavent 5y ago
    > I did not get that. Do I need to know him personally to know that he has junkie and a criminal? Yes, since you only seem to know what right wing media tells you. Rush Limbaugh was also a junkie and a criminal by those standards, yet he gets a medal of freedom or whatever. > George Floyd and other black criminals This is why you are an uninformed racist. You can disagree all you like but it doesn't really change the reality of it. > everyone who disagree with you is literally nazi. I never called you or anyone who disagrees with me a nazi. I said "defending nazis is reprehensible" basically. > I'm on the side of freedom of speech and other human rights. Again, no you are not. If you defend those who would seek to take away the lives of others, you are not on the side of human rights. Right to life and all that. > serial killers and rapists deserve humane treatment, right to fair trial etc. Including free speech. Abandoning eye for an eye principle is also a great achievement of the western civilization. I agree, but this isn't a trial. >decides it is acceptable to take speech rights from nazis, tomorrow it will decide it can take speech rights from communists I mean, it did? Look at the 50's. Rightwing cancel culture and deplatforming at it's finest. Also, taking away the rights of those who don't respect the same right in others is kind of ok - that's sort of what our justice system is based on, since you likened this to a trial.
    • lightgreen 5y ago
      > Yes, since you only seem to know what right wing media tells you. You cannot seriously believe he was not a criminal and a junkie. Here the left wing sources about his criminal history: https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-who-is.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-who-is.html Here is left wing source about his drug use: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/08/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-9/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/08/us/derek-chauvin-trial-ge... > Rush Limbaugh was also a junkie and a criminal by those standards, yet he gets a medal of freedom or whatever. Many criminals junkies walk free regardless of their skin color. George Floyd was just too unlucky to be high on several drugs, committed crime and resisted arrest on the same day. This combo could not end well. > This is why you are an uninformed racist. You can disagree all you like but it doesn't really change the reality of it. I'm not a racist, and I don't talk with people who throw insults, and generally don't talk to people who cannot conduct a constructive dialogue. So this is my last reply to you. You may reply, and I'll read that reply, but I won't reply to you again. It was an interesting conversation. Thanks! > I never called you or anyone who disagrees with me a nazi. I was speaking figuratively. It just happens way to often by left wing people. In fact, you just called me racist in the same message. There's irony in that. > If you defend those who would seek to take away the lives of others, you are not on the side of human rights. I must say, you don't understand the modern meaning of human rights. Even criminals have these rights. Like UN requires it, all of the western countries signed it, most of the world countries signed it. It is universally agreed on in the western society. Well, I thought so, until I read your comment, and was quite disappointed. I thought better of left-wing people. > Also, taking away the rights of those who don't respect the same right in others is kind of ok So it's OK to rape the rapist, I got it. And I already replied to that: fortunately eye for an eye was abandoned by the western civilization, but unfortunately left-wing people are pulling civilization back to the dark ages.