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Edward Snowden Hails Court Ruling Acknowledging Devastation of Mass Surveillance
- harveywi 5y ago>Edward Snowden Hails Court Another great headline by Tom Swift
- a1369209993 5y agoEh, I still prefer "Foot Heads Arms Body". Haven't managed to track down the paper that came up with it, sadly.
- threatofrain 5y ago> On Tuesday, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)—in Big Brother Watch and Others v. the United Kingdom—upheld a 2018 ruling by the court's lower chamber, determining that mass surveillance by the British government breached human rights laws under the European Convention aimed at safeguarding Europeans' rights to privacy. > The court's 17 judges unanimously agreed that the mining of billions of calls, emails, text messages and other data by British intelligence services lacked the independent scrutiny to protect the right to privacy and freedom of expression. > However, most of the judges allowed for the continued sharing of intercepted digital communications with foreign governments or intelligence agencies.
- vmception 5y agoUseless then
- agotterer 5y agoSounds like it. Now they just need to make a call to another country in the Five Eyes to get the data.
- vmception 5y agoAPI Firehose more like The real question is whether they would use websockets or Protobuf
- willcipriano 5y agoGovernment. At best it's REST but good chance it's SOAP or scripts doing FTP transfers of huge CSV files in the night. My money is on FTP.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> Government. At best it's REST but good chance it's SOAP or scripts doing FTP transfers of huge CSV files in the night. CSV? Fixed-field-width EBCDIC text.
- chasd00 5y agoand about 1/3 getting printed out and faxed and then data entry clerks keying in what comes out of the fax machine on the far side.
- ben_w 5y agoIf they were doing that I wouldn’t even mind too much, because that would force them to focus on the important stuff instead of drag-netting everyone.
- sebow 5y agoYes but things can be done (albeit hardly now). If people realise and pressure legislation that govs and entities can't spy even through proxies(other government(agencies) and companies) then we should really see more progress in this regard. This is also debated right now in US, though i feel it slipped a bit from the european radar
- hi41 5y agoI hope Snowden receives pardon and comes back to his home country. Two presidents have already left office and I was hoping Trump did that. Snowden is a whistleblower and he needs protection since his report to Washington Post was done in good faith.
- JohnWhigham 5y agoWho knows if he ever will. I was curious how Daniel Ellsberg got off, and apparently he was tried, but it was the judge that dropped the charges due to how egregious the federal government's actions were in the Vietnam Papers leak. It wasn't the executive branch doing it. I wonder if it wasn't for that stalwart judge, if Ellsberg would still be rotting away in a prison.
- lupire 5y agoI can't imagine him getting a pardon until the President/Executive stops doing what was whistleblown.
- asimpletune 5y agoThis would almost certainly be the end result in the US too, if a plaintiff would have standing to sue. Unfortunately, that's the Catch 22 that's really prevented any of the particularly egregious practices from having their legal justification scrutinized in a court of law. However, because these programs are secret, you have by definition no way of knowing that you've been harmed and therefore have standing.
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- lupire 5y agoThe "standing" decisions are just bad law by judges. The chilling effect on speech is enough to justify standing.
- godelski 5y ago> This would be the opposite of what the founding fathers wanted for Europe when they signed the Convention in 1950 It is weird to hear this as an American. We frequently discuss "what the founding fathers wanted" but those founding fathers aren't alive anymore and we can't ask their friends or children for more clarity. But this was only 70 years ago.
- lupire 5y agoThe founding fathers wanted us to rewrite the Constitution every 20 years. But they didn't expect that we'd make that wholly impractical by giving Blacks, Women, and non-wealthy men the right to vote.
- godelski 5y agoI mean at least one of them did, but I don't think that makes it right to say "the founding fathers". Though I think this whole "living vs static document" debate is dumb. I mean we didn't wait that long before we had to amend the constitution. Clearly it is living. It is also weird to think about the US having one of the oldest constitutions.