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The 'staff' resigned, so it looks like a powergrab by them via starting their own network and disparaging freenode. I didn't see anything that was irreconcilab

The 'staff' resigned, so it looks like a powergrab by them via starting their own network and disparaging freenode. I didn't see anything that was irreconcilable at the start of this, only that the 'staffs' demands of having DNS ownership were denied. > The self-proclaimed "Owner and Guardian of Freenode" has not yet put in the effort to earn himself a seat at that discussion table for a single one of those communities, much less all of them. That's just your opinion. I don't share it. I think Freenode is going fine, I'm fine with cutting bait with the outrage mob. If you want to go, go.

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
Announcing your bare opinion at someone, then dismissing their post as an opinion, is a weird way to try to convince the HN community that these unethical actions were ethical. It's also a weird way to try to get a seat at the table in one of the communities that was deciding between comms platforms.
- linuxftw 5y ago
  I'm not here to convince anyone that dislikes freenode, I'm here to balance the echo chamber to outside observers aren't terrified to stay with freenode. > then dismissing their post as an opinion Yes, the vocal minority has expressed their opinion, and when I challenge it with an opinion of my own, it somehow doesn't measure up to your standards. > It's also a weird way to try to get a seat at the table in one of the communities that was deciding between comms platforms. As if I'm not part of communities that are on freenode? Is there something you believe gives your opinion more value than mine? You know what's weird, in all the channels I'm on in freenode, none of them have been disrupted. I guess it's because they just kept doing what they were doing and not trying to encourage others to abandon it. Funny how that works.
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  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    >As if I'm not part of communities that are on freenode? Is there something you believe gives your opinion more value than mine? The real question is, is there something Andrew believes gives his opinion more value than the collective opinion of each individual community, as determined by that community, and not him individually? It's like I said in my OP: The hardest thing for someone with NPD to hear is that they don't always get to be the final decider of all things.
    - linuxftw 5y ago
      > It's like I said in my OP: The hardest thing for someone with NPD Is this a diagnosis from a professional that Andrew diagnosed, or are you just levying personal attacks against someone you disagree with?
      - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        >Is this a diagnosis from a professional that Andrew diagnosed, or are you just levying personal attacks against someone you disagree with? I'm not following the first option you provided, but the second one is not the case. Hope this answers your question, but it wasn't very clear, so I'm available for follow-ups
        linuxftw 5y ago
        Prove that Andrew has NPD. Otherwise, you're levying a personal attack. The only thing I'll accept as proof, and anyone should accept as proof, is a professional diagnosis that Andrew released, as that's the only ethical way to make that claim.
        ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        Is your entire defense of Andrew's actions based upon you feeling that I, a random internet commentator, must prove some unrelated accusation that you personally made up and ascribed to me? Because that does not sound like a reasonable justification for Andrew's actions at all.
  - danaris 5y ago
    > I'm here to balance the echo chamber Y'know, the majority of voices criticizing one "side" when a major conflict happens doesn't necessarily mean that there's an "echo chamber." Quite often, what it means is that the side being criticized has actually done something bad, and deserves the criticism.
    - linuxftw 5y ago
      The only reason there's a major conflict as all is people around here made it a point to have one.

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago

Announcing your bare opinion at someone, then dismissing their post as an opinion, is a weird way to try to convince the HN community that these unethical actions were ethical. It's also a weird way to try to get a seat at the table in one of the communities that was deciding between comms platforms.

linuxftw 5y ago
I'm not here to convince anyone that dislikes freenode, I'm here to balance the echo chamber to outside observers aren't terrified to stay with freenode. > then dismissing their post as an opinion Yes, the vocal minority has expressed their opinion, and when I challenge it with an opinion of my own, it somehow doesn't measure up to your standards. > It's also a weird way to try to get a seat at the table in one of the communities that was deciding between comms platforms. As if I'm not part of communities that are on freenode? Is there something you believe gives your opinion more value than mine? You know what's weird, in all the channels I'm on in freenode, none of them have been disrupted. I guess it's because they just kept doing what they were doing and not trying to encourage others to abandon it. Funny how that works.
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- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  >As if I'm not part of communities that are on freenode? Is there something you believe gives your opinion more value than mine? The real question is, is there something Andrew believes gives his opinion more value than the collective opinion of each individual community, as determined by that community, and not him individually? It's like I said in my OP: The hardest thing for someone with NPD to hear is that they don't always get to be the final decider of all things.
  - linuxftw 5y ago
    > It's like I said in my OP: The hardest thing for someone with NPD Is this a diagnosis from a professional that Andrew diagnosed, or are you just levying personal attacks against someone you disagree with?
    - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
      >Is this a diagnosis from a professional that Andrew diagnosed, or are you just levying personal attacks against someone you disagree with? I'm not following the first option you provided, but the second one is not the case. Hope this answers your question, but it wasn't very clear, so I'm available for follow-ups
      - linuxftw 5y ago
        Prove that Andrew has NPD. Otherwise, you're levying a personal attack. The only thing I'll accept as proof, and anyone should accept as proof, is a professional diagnosis that Andrew released, as that's the only ethical way to make that claim.
        ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        Is your entire defense of Andrew's actions based upon you feeling that I, a random internet commentator, must prove some unrelated accusation that you personally made up and ascribed to me? Because that does not sound like a reasonable justification for Andrew's actions at all.
- danaris 5y ago
  > I'm here to balance the echo chamber Y'know, the majority of voices criticizing one "side" when a major conflict happens doesn't necessarily mean that there's an "echo chamber." Quite often, what it means is that the side being criticized has actually done something bad, and deserves the criticism.
  - linuxftw 5y ago
    The only reason there's a major conflict as all is people around here made it a point to have one.