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> I was able to get founder access back by asking nicely (through gritted teeth) on #freenode-services and now I am trying to work out how I indicate to users t

by izacus 5y ago

> I was able to get founder access back by asking nicely (through gritted teeth) on #freenode-services and now I am trying to work out how I indicate to users that they should look elsewhere, without freenode taking any further action. Why do you need to do that though? Freenode and all other IRC servers are full of channels where people hang out and talk about projects without maintainers owning them and pushing people around. This is, after all, the main plus of IRC. Just leave Freenode and advertise your presence on your website/GitHub or other project channels. Leave people deciding to stay on Freenode alone.

darkarmani 5y ago
> Just leave Freenode and advertise your presence on your website/GitHub or other project channels. Leave people deciding to stay on Freenode alone. Because it looks like an official channel? Having a topic telling people where they can find the official channel is not bothering people: most people don't know where to go and are only on freenode because thats where they think they should be.
- izacus 5y ago
  Of course, having a topic is all good. But what some channel owners did is to prevent people from talking on the channel via bans, tried to block discussion and forcefully make people move over. That, in my book, is not ok.
shkkmo 5y ago
The position you advocate is ridiculous. If the official channel is moving, prohibiting that channel from telling thier users where the new official channel will be is incredibly user hostile. I can't believe any project would ever want to stay on Freenode after behavior like this.
cmsj 5y ago
In the long term, you are absolutely right. It's perfectly reasonable for people to want to have a #gentoo or #ubuntu or whatever, channel on Freenode. I also think it's reasonable for projects to have some time to disambiguate where the official one is. For my project specifically, our IRC traffic is very low - there are a dozen or so lurkers and then people who come in briefly after seeing the channel mentioned on our website/docs, to ask questions. I've updated all of those things, but I want to leave a message in the channel topic for people who already have it in their IRC client, to see, so they don't think I've completely abandoned them. My solution for now is to have the topic say that it's an unofficial channel in which people are welcome to discuss things, and then a URL to the section of our website that details how to get help, which links to Libera :)

by izacus 5y ago

darkarmani 5y ago

> Just leave Freenode and advertise your presence on your website/GitHub or other project channels. Leave people deciding to stay on Freenode alone. Because it looks like an official channel? Having a topic telling people where they can find the official channel is not bothering people: most people don't know where to go and are only on freenode because thats where they think they should be.

izacus 5y ago
Of course, having a topic is all good. But what some channel owners did is to prevent people from talking on the channel via bans, tried to block discussion and forcefully make people move over. That, in my book, is not ok.

shkkmo 5y ago

The position you advocate is ridiculous. If the official channel is moving, prohibiting that channel from telling thier users where the new official channel will be is incredibly user hostile. I can't believe any project would ever want to stay on Freenode after behavior like this.

cmsj 5y ago

In the long term, you are absolutely right. It's perfectly reasonable for people to want to have a #gentoo or #ubuntu or whatever, channel on Freenode. I also think it's reasonable for projects to have some time to disambiguate where the official one is. For my project specifically, our IRC traffic is very low - there are a dozen or so lurkers and then people who come in briefly after seeing the channel mentioned on our website/docs, to ask questions. I've updated all of those things, but I want to leave a message in the channel topic for people who already have it in their IRC client, to see, so they don't think I've completely abandoned them. My solution for now is to have the topic say that it's an unofficial channel in which people are welcome to discuss things, and then a URL to the section of our website that details how to get help, which links to Libera :)