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>But we’ve also exceeded our carbon budget as a species So what do you suggest. From yesterday, every truck, ship factory etc should stop working because our c

>But we’ve also exceeded our carbon budget as a species So what do you suggest. From yesterday, every truck, ship factory etc should stop working because our carbon limit has been exceeded. I mean, if you think orders such as these are the way forward, that is very going to happen. Haling global fossil production= halving global energy consumption= half of all industry shutting down. I think my sums are right.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Institute a carbon tax that increases at a linear rate and use the revenue to subsidize clean electrical generation and storage mechanisms (battery and pumped storage), EV subsidies, EV charging infra (both for light and heavy vehicles), and invest in ammonia production from renewables for marine applications. Air travel should be disincentivized whenever possible with a similar tax until cleaner alternatives are developed. Support robust building energy efficiency improvement measures (heat pumps, insulation, and similar). Require carbon neutral or negative concrete production. Rapidly scale up polysilicon production to meet solar PV manufacturing needs (we need ~600GW of solar PV produced and installed annually to meet climate targets, a 4x increase from current production capacity). There will be some petroleum consumption remaining, and in the short term we’ll need to tax that at a rate that pays for the removal of the resulting carbon using air source carbon capture (Climeworks and similar). I believe the current cost of that is $600 per ton of CO2 based on Climeworks’ letter to Stripe notifying they completed their initial removal objective they were contracted for. With all that said, the planetary climate doesn’t really consider GDP as a worthwhile metric, so perhaps we should revisit it as well (compared to having a functioning, stable ecosystem to exist in).
chriswarbo 5y ago
> if you think orders such as these are the way forward, that is very literally going to happen. No, that's hyperbole. Rulings like this will cause damage, disruption, harm, etc. but nowhere near the amount of damage, disruption, harm, etc. as a 'business as usual'. The former is a short-term blow to the economy, which will rebound by transitioning to renewables (and perhaps even be stronger). The latter is less immediate, but will flood coastal cities, cause droughts and famines, and lead to mass migration, civil unrest and international conflict. We've arguably seen this already, with historic droughts in Syria contributing to its civil war, the resulting migrants causing a political crisis in Europe, culminating in the UK leaving the EU. The short-term pain of having to wean ourselves off fossil fuels is far better than the alternative (at least, for those who plan to live another few decades and/or care about others). Still, it does not have to happen overnight.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  >No, that's hyperbole Agreed. I think I came across slightly hyperbolic. The use of the word literally was a poor choice and i edited it out. I would like to point that i did caveat my comment with an "if you follow that through" but maybe that wasn't enough. Though i still don't necessarily agree with the rest of your comment.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

Institute a carbon tax that increases at a linear rate and use the revenue to subsidize clean electrical generation and storage mechanisms (battery and pumped storage), EV subsidies, EV charging infra (both for light and heavy vehicles), and invest in ammonia production from renewables for marine applications. Air travel should be disincentivized whenever possible with a similar tax until cleaner alternatives are developed. Support robust building energy efficiency improvement measures (heat pumps, insulation, and similar). Require carbon neutral or negative concrete production. Rapidly scale up polysilicon production to meet solar PV manufacturing needs (we need ~600GW of solar PV produced and installed annually to meet climate targets, a 4x increase from current production capacity). There will be some petroleum consumption remaining, and in the short term we’ll need to tax that at a rate that pays for the removal of the resulting carbon using air source carbon capture (Climeworks and similar). I believe the current cost of that is $600 per ton of CO2 based on Climeworks’ letter to Stripe notifying they completed their initial removal objective they were contracted for. With all that said, the planetary climate doesn’t really consider GDP as a worthwhile metric, so perhaps we should revisit it as well (compared to having a functioning, stable ecosystem to exist in).

chriswarbo 5y ago

> if you think orders such as these are the way forward, that is very literally going to happen. No, that's hyperbole. Rulings like this will cause damage, disruption, harm, etc. but nowhere near the amount of damage, disruption, harm, etc. as a 'business as usual'. The former is a short-term blow to the economy, which will rebound by transitioning to renewables (and perhaps even be stronger). The latter is less immediate, but will flood coastal cities, cause droughts and famines, and lead to mass migration, civil unrest and international conflict. We've arguably seen this already, with historic droughts in Syria contributing to its civil war, the resulting migrants causing a political crisis in Europe, culminating in the UK leaving the EU. The short-term pain of having to wean ourselves off fossil fuels is far better than the alternative (at least, for those who plan to live another few decades and/or care about others). Still, it does not have to happen overnight.

FridayoLeary 5y ago
>No, that's hyperbole Agreed. I think I came across slightly hyperbolic. The use of the word literally was a poor choice and i edited it out. I would like to point that i did caveat my comment with an "if you follow that through" but maybe that wasn't enough. Though i still don't necessarily agree with the rest of your comment.