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Hubris, they believe freenode is the home of FOSS projects. They literally say that in the latest (and frankly, quite ridiculous) post on their website: https:/

by cmsj 5y ago

Hubris, they believe freenode is the home of FOSS projects. They literally say that in the latest (and frankly, quite ridiculous) post on their website: https://freenode.net/news/for-foss https://freenode.net/news/for-foss > freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years. > Freenode is freenode, and freenode is FOSS They see those of us who are moving our project channels elsewhere, as "an illness".

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
But what is the point of removing ops and some of the other things I’ve heard they’ve done? How does that further their mission?
- pjc50 5y ago
  Silencing dissent.
- techrat 5y ago
  It doesn't. It's the desperate actions of an entitled child. Lee was never fit to run an IRC network and now everyone can see how.
- cmsj 5y ago
  They see us as trying to fracture their community, even though these are our communities. Ironically, by forcing us to keep the freenode channels open, they are fracturing our communities. Or, at least they are for me, because I'm not going to back down and move the official one for my project back from Libera. I might have done if they had acted responsibly, but taking the channel away with no notice, convinces me that these are not people I want to rely on in any capacity. I am grateful to freenode for the platform it has provided to this point, and I thank all of the volunteers who kept it running.
aethertron 5y ago
Really strange to call an IRC network 'home'. It's infrastructure. And it's (generally) not a private space for its users. More like a cafe or a co-working space than a home.
- daenney 5y ago
  It's not all that strange. Many projects or organised groups of people have a "home", call it an HQ if that's easier. It might not jive with the dictionary definition of a home, but it's a term that's long been used to indicate the central gathering place of (online) communities. Much like how a personal website can be your "home" on the web.
  - aethertron 5y ago
    Fair enough. I'd say these channel takeover shenanigans disqualify freenode from being a good candidate for a software project's home or HQ. It makes me doubt that any IRC network can be rightly considered for that role, if this is what such network operators can do to it. It's a security risk. If there aren't technical security assurances against such interference (I think this is just the facts of IRC) perhaps there is a cultural norm against it (judging from the reaction, seems there is) and IRC networks with reputations for holding to those norms. So some other network might be acceptable to use. Still, better for software project to have its own website as HQ. Then they can have an SSL cert.

by cmsj 5y ago

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago

But what is the point of removing ops and some of the other things I’ve heard they’ve done? How does that further their mission?

pjc50 5y ago
Silencing dissent.
techrat 5y ago
It doesn't. It's the desperate actions of an entitled child. Lee was never fit to run an IRC network and now everyone can see how.
cmsj 5y ago
They see us as trying to fracture their community, even though these are our communities. Ironically, by forcing us to keep the freenode channels open, they are fracturing our communities. Or, at least they are for me, because I'm not going to back down and move the official one for my project back from Libera. I might have done if they had acted responsibly, but taking the channel away with no notice, convinces me that these are not people I want to rely on in any capacity. I am grateful to freenode for the platform it has provided to this point, and I thank all of the volunteers who kept it running.

aethertron 5y ago

Really strange to call an IRC network 'home'. It's infrastructure. And it's (generally) not a private space for its users. More like a cafe or a co-working space than a home.

daenney 5y ago
It's not all that strange. Many projects or organised groups of people have a "home", call it an HQ if that's easier. It might not jive with the dictionary definition of a home, but it's a term that's long been used to indicate the central gathering place of (online) communities. Much like how a personal website can be your "home" on the web.
- aethertron 5y ago
  Fair enough. I'd say these channel takeover shenanigans disqualify freenode from being a good candidate for a software project's home or HQ. It makes me doubt that any IRC network can be rightly considered for that role, if this is what such network operators can do to it. It's a security risk. If there aren't technical security assurances against such interference (I think this is just the facts of IRC) perhaps there is a cultural norm against it (judging from the reaction, seems there is) and IRC networks with reputations for holding to those norms. So some other network might be acceptable to use. Still, better for software project to have its own website as HQ. Then they can have an SSL cert.