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It would be enough for each node, to know the whole contact graph, and have that stored in a open format? Like a xml adressbook, that could be parsed by any so

It would be enough for each node, to know the whole contact graph, and have that stored in a open format? Like a xml adressbook, that could be parsed by any software and could be created even with limited apis as provided by discord etc.

ajacksified 5y ago
Good usecase for Solid (https://solidproject.org/ https://solidproject.org/).
- hobofan 5y ago
  It's also a good use case for a good old .vcard, which already has semantics for plenty of contact fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some for IRC.
  - medstrom 5y ago
    Modern phones have done their utmost to end these. If you even find the option to load a vcard they will (often sneakily) copy the contents to Google Contacts or similar, and you don't know if the phone is even keeping the vcard updated. It has made the approach feel unreliable.
    - hobofan 5y ago
      I've switched to self-hosting my contacts with Radicale[0] (with "backups" to a git repo) synced via DavX5[1], with no problem of them mixing with Google Contacts. It's pretty annoying though that basically no current contacts app recognizes common fields like the nickname for a person. [0]: https://radicale.org/ https://radicale.org/ [1]: https://www.davx5.com/ https://www.davx5.com/
- simias 5y ago
  I fully expected some blockchain nonsense opening your link, I'm pleasantly surprised. It seems like an interesting project but I wonder if it has any chance of reaching critical mass. The incumbents have no incentives to interoperate with such a protocol as far as I can tell.
  - lolinder 5y ago
    The same is true for any open protocol, at least at first. Any open protocol has to reach widespread usage first, and only then will incumbents have to adopt it. That's an extremely difficult task, but hopefully not impossible.
    - simias 5y ago
      Is there a single example in recent memory of an open protocol achieving mainstream success without being sponsored by a large company? I really wish something like this Solid protocol would succeed, but I don't see how you could generate enough momentum for it at the moment.
      - lolinder 5y ago
        I'm not aware of any, no, and there's 0 incentive for any large company to sponsor one.
      - atatatat 5y ago
        Which large company sponsors Bitcoin? ActivityPub? Matrix (before they landed their gov contracts etc)?
CornCobs 5y ago
It's not the network, though - it's the experience. When some community decides to up and move to libera, I connect and register with the new server and it's literally the same thing. Clients create the UX and the community creates the content. Now I imagine trying to get a community off discord to a different platform with slightly different interactions, slightly different "channel" styles, different reactions or role-setting, would be a much harder sell. That being said, I have nothing against discord - I think they've made a really compelling product and have certainly set a bar for what a future open protocol should cover if it wants to be relevant

ajacksified 5y ago

Good usecase for Solid (https://solidproject.org/ https://solidproject.org/).

hobofan 5y ago
It's also a good use case for a good old .vcard, which already has semantics for plenty of contact fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some for IRC.
- medstrom 5y ago
  Modern phones have done their utmost to end these. If you even find the option to load a vcard they will (often sneakily) copy the contents to Google Contacts or similar, and you don't know if the phone is even keeping the vcard updated. It has made the approach feel unreliable.
  - hobofan 5y ago
    I've switched to self-hosting my contacts with Radicale[0] (with "backups" to a git repo) synced via DavX5[1], with no problem of them mixing with Google Contacts. It's pretty annoying though that basically no current contacts app recognizes common fields like the nickname for a person. [0]: https://radicale.org/ https://radicale.org/ [1]: https://www.davx5.com/ https://www.davx5.com/
simias 5y ago
I fully expected some blockchain nonsense opening your link, I'm pleasantly surprised. It seems like an interesting project but I wonder if it has any chance of reaching critical mass. The incumbents have no incentives to interoperate with such a protocol as far as I can tell.
- lolinder 5y ago
  The same is true for any open protocol, at least at first. Any open protocol has to reach widespread usage first, and only then will incumbents have to adopt it. That's an extremely difficult task, but hopefully not impossible.
  - simias 5y ago
    Is there a single example in recent memory of an open protocol achieving mainstream success without being sponsored by a large company? I really wish something like this Solid protocol would succeed, but I don't see how you could generate enough momentum for it at the moment.
    - lolinder 5y ago
      I'm not aware of any, no, and there's 0 incentive for any large company to sponsor one.
    - atatatat 5y ago
      Which large company sponsors Bitcoin? ActivityPub? Matrix (before they landed their gov contracts etc)?

CornCobs 5y ago

It's not the network, though - it's the experience. When some community decides to up and move to libera, I connect and register with the new server and it's literally the same thing. Clients create the UX and the community creates the content. Now I imagine trying to get a community off discord to a different platform with slightly different interactions, slightly different "channel" styles, different reactions or role-setting, would be a much harder sell. That being said, I have nothing against discord - I think they've made a really compelling product and have certainly set a bar for what a future open protocol should cover if it wants to be relevant