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Of course, this is a massive arranged crime akin to and having it's roots in the sub-prime mortgage crash. Rates are low. corporations can borrow unlimited cash

Of course, this is a massive arranged crime akin to and having it's roots in the sub-prime mortgage crash. Rates are low. corporations can borrow unlimited cash and buy a residence, then rent it out to get 4-5% interest and pay 1.5 to 2.5 = risk free make the spread with no limits. I would like to borrow 10 billion and buy a zillion homes and make the spread ~~3%. They hire property managers and that costs .5% to .75%. And we pay = we MUST HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. Easy to fix = make an income property subject to business taxes in addition to the usual real estate taxes. All the small retail shops pay business taxes as well as realty taxes. Make it a law that increased business taxes can not be passed to the people who live there. Exempt people who rent rooms in their own residence. This would kill the spread and make houses affordable again. Of course powerful corporates vesteds would whine away = WGAS for them, the people need this racket to be broken NOW.

bequanna 5y ago
This isn’t how taxation works or even can work. It would be trivial to avoid the tax you propose if it is based on income from the properties. If the tax is more like a property tax then it would be impossible for it to not be passed on to renters. Indeed, ALL taxes are passed onto consumers!
- yunohn 5y ago
  > it would be impossible for it to not be passed on to renters. Indeed, ALL taxes are passed onto consumers! Agreed. While not immediately intuitive, this is unfortunately very true for all taxes that are imposed upon institutions, corporations, investors, etc. I wish this is something that could be fixed in a fair manner…
  - pnutjam 5y ago
    All taxes are passed on is a very simplistic view. Do I pass the taxes on to my employer when I negotiate salary? Probably to some extent, but this is like saying all cubes are squares and calling it good enough. EDIT: typo
    - yunohn 5y ago
      Maybe you misunderstood my post, but I was not arguing that this is a good thing. But indeed, when you negotiate a higher salary, your employer pays more taxes. And this cost is passed on to the end-users of your employer’s business.
      - pnutjam 5y ago
        I was pointing out this view of "everything is passed on" is simplistic. There are multiple pots that can all be used. Profit, R&D, Cost to consumer, etc...
        yunohn 5y ago
        I don’t understand how profit and r&d are pots for tax losses? Could you clarify what exactly you mean? A great example is Apple/other electronic products in the EU. They’re just straight up 30% more expensive, which is approximately the extra taxes they incur in EU vs USA. This includes higher VAT, taxes, and even labor/payroll.
- aurizon 5y ago
  Where do you live? Here in Canada properties are taxed according to their value on an assessment scale. The city does not care if you make money or not, you pay your taxes. If you also operate a business you are also assessed business taxes which you must pay regerdless of your profits. There are also income taxes on people and corporations and all costs of the business (wages, business taxes, realty taxes raw materials etc) are taken away (called deductions) on the balance the income tax or corporation tax is levied. Usually on a sliding scale, with individuals having a protected basic exemption and then a sliding scale up to around 50% for individuals of great income. A similar scale is applies to corporations but usually peaks at a lower rate. My suggestion to apply a business tax to the rental of each suite IN ADDITION to the real estate taxes is to make corporations have a greater burden than a person living and owning it to create a disadvantage to the corporation to offset the rent seeking aspect whereby corprations can borrow large sums, pay the spread and have the tenants pay for their equity gains. This has driven property values for a 2 bedroom home to $1 -2 million and in essence makes ownership impossible.
- javiermaestro 5y ago
  Mmmm, not sure if that would be the case / possible with something like "First home for your use, you get tax exemptions, etc. Second house, for you, X amount of taxes. If rented, Y% of the income. Third house rented, insane % of the income (like 50%)". That would discourage people from buying-to-rent massive amounts of properties, as they would simply not be cost-effective, regardless of how much you want to pass on to the renters. If you think that would raise rents by a huge %, I don't think so, as it would be completely impossible for people to pay.
spaced-out 5y ago
Another idea, make it so that the more single family homes someone or a corporation owns, they pay a higher tax rate on all their properties. So someone who only owns two or three SF homes they maybe pay 1.5%, but if they own 20 they pay 5%. Similar rules could apply for apartments or condos but with different multipliers. If set properly it'll be impossible for large landlords to pass those taxes on to tenants, because they'll be undercut by smaller ones and buyers who just want a place to live.
- aurizon 5y ago
  A valid ides if enforceable. I can see assorted numbered companies and nominees used to skirt this?

bequanna 5y ago

This isn’t how taxation works or even can work. It would be trivial to avoid the tax you propose if it is based on income from the properties. If the tax is more like a property tax then it would be impossible for it to not be passed on to renters. Indeed, ALL taxes are passed onto consumers!

yunohn 5y ago
> it would be impossible for it to not be passed on to renters. Indeed, ALL taxes are passed onto consumers! Agreed. While not immediately intuitive, this is unfortunately very true for all taxes that are imposed upon institutions, corporations, investors, etc. I wish this is something that could be fixed in a fair manner…
- pnutjam 5y ago
  All taxes are passed on is a very simplistic view. Do I pass the taxes on to my employer when I negotiate salary? Probably to some extent, but this is like saying all cubes are squares and calling it good enough. EDIT: typo
  - yunohn 5y ago
    Maybe you misunderstood my post, but I was not arguing that this is a good thing. But indeed, when you negotiate a higher salary, your employer pays more taxes. And this cost is passed on to the end-users of your employer’s business.
    - pnutjam 5y ago
      I was pointing out this view of "everything is passed on" is simplistic. There are multiple pots that can all be used. Profit, R&D, Cost to consumer, etc...
      - yunohn 5y ago
        I don’t understand how profit and r&d are pots for tax losses? Could you clarify what exactly you mean? A great example is Apple/other electronic products in the EU. They’re just straight up 30% more expensive, which is approximately the extra taxes they incur in EU vs USA. This includes higher VAT, taxes, and even labor/payroll.
aurizon 5y ago
Where do you live? Here in Canada properties are taxed according to their value on an assessment scale. The city does not care if you make money or not, you pay your taxes. If you also operate a business you are also assessed business taxes which you must pay regerdless of your profits. There are also income taxes on people and corporations and all costs of the business (wages, business taxes, realty taxes raw materials etc) are taken away (called deductions) on the balance the income tax or corporation tax is levied. Usually on a sliding scale, with individuals having a protected basic exemption and then a sliding scale up to around 50% for individuals of great income. A similar scale is applies to corporations but usually peaks at a lower rate. My suggestion to apply a business tax to the rental of each suite IN ADDITION to the real estate taxes is to make corporations have a greater burden than a person living and owning it to create a disadvantage to the corporation to offset the rent seeking aspect whereby corprations can borrow large sums, pay the spread and have the tenants pay for their equity gains. This has driven property values for a 2 bedroom home to $1 -2 million and in essence makes ownership impossible.
javiermaestro 5y ago
Mmmm, not sure if that would be the case / possible with something like "First home for your use, you get tax exemptions, etc. Second house, for you, X amount of taxes. If rented, Y% of the income. Third house rented, insane % of the income (like 50%)". That would discourage people from buying-to-rent massive amounts of properties, as they would simply not be cost-effective, regardless of how much you want to pass on to the renters. If you think that would raise rents by a huge %, I don't think so, as it would be completely impossible for people to pay.

spaced-out 5y ago

Another idea, make it so that the more single family homes someone or a corporation owns, they pay a higher tax rate on all their properties. So someone who only owns two or three SF homes they maybe pay 1.5%, but if they own 20 they pay 5%. Similar rules could apply for apartments or condos but with different multipliers. If set properly it'll be impossible for large landlords to pass those taxes on to tenants, because they'll be undercut by smaller ones and buyers who just want a place to live.

aurizon 5y ago
A valid ides if enforceable. I can see assorted numbered companies and nominees used to skirt this?