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From that link: "freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years. Fracturing the community only hurts users and FOSS. Your users don

From that link: "freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years. Fracturing the community only hurts users and FOSS. Your users don’t wish to migrate. Stop forcing them." Does he mean "fracturing" the community as in people using multiple IRC servers? Isn't that sort of distributed nature an _advantage_ of FOSS? Why does everything need to be on one server?

immibis 5y ago
Because he wants to control all of it.
geofft 5y ago
That statement is also simply not true - no accounting of the "FOSS community" is complete without Debian and its influence - in particular the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which became the Open Source Definition, but also Debian itself as a technical work and everything downstream of it like Ubuntu. And Debian left Freenode for OFTC long ago.
izacus 5y ago
There's small missing part of the story here - many channel owners have been adding full bans before leaving, meaning that noone was able to join the channel and talk about the topic anymore. Most of those channels got "taken over" and bans removed so people could continue conversing on that network if they would.
- immibis 5y ago
  They took over a bunch of channels just for having the word "libera" in the topic. The actual criteria are something more than that, because there are some channels that had it in their topic but didn't get taken over. But that's approximately what happened.
- immibis 5y ago
  also, a community spread across two channels is more fractured than a community on one. Forcing users out of the old one is a good thing.
- p_l 5y ago
  The single-# channels were official channels (or grandfathered channels from before "official channel" policy). That meant that they weren't random chat channels, they were linked with specific organization that handled them (this was done to prevent name hijacking... which is what rasengan just did)
- CydeWeys 5y ago
  That seems pretty reasonable though. If these are the official channels for a given project, then it's up to the project what they want to do with them, not the ops of the network they happen to be hosted on. If Gentoo or whoever want to move their official channel from one network to another, then that's entirely their right to do so, and it makes sense to close down the previous location and leave a link to the new one to prevent confusing people and fracturing the community. If you want to stay on FreeNode, you can create as many unofficial channels to talk about Gentoo as you want, and you're free to try to recruit users to it. But taking over what had been the official channel, but which is now officially deprecated by the sponsoring project in question, is unreasonable. It's about trust.

immibis 5y ago

Because he wants to control all of it.

geofft 5y ago

That statement is also simply not true - no accounting of the "FOSS community" is complete without Debian and its influence - in particular the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which became the Open Source Definition, but also Debian itself as a technical work and everything downstream of it like Ubuntu. And Debian left Freenode for OFTC long ago.

izacus 5y ago

There's small missing part of the story here - many channel owners have been adding full bans before leaving, meaning that noone was able to join the channel and talk about the topic anymore. Most of those channels got "taken over" and bans removed so people could continue conversing on that network if they would.

immibis 5y ago
They took over a bunch of channels just for having the word "libera" in the topic. The actual criteria are something more than that, because there are some channels that had it in their topic but didn't get taken over. But that's approximately what happened.
immibis 5y ago
also, a community spread across two channels is more fractured than a community on one. Forcing users out of the old one is a good thing.
p_l 5y ago
The single-# channels were official channels (or grandfathered channels from before "official channel" policy). That meant that they weren't random chat channels, they were linked with specific organization that handled them (this was done to prevent name hijacking... which is what rasengan just did)
CydeWeys 5y ago
That seems pretty reasonable though. If these are the official channels for a given project, then it's up to the project what they want to do with them, not the ops of the network they happen to be hosted on. If Gentoo or whoever want to move their official channel from one network to another, then that's entirely their right to do so, and it makes sense to close down the previous location and leave a link to the new one to prevent confusing people and fracturing the community. If you want to stay on FreeNode, you can create as many unofficial channels to talk about Gentoo as you want, and you're free to try to recruit users to it. But taking over what had been the official channel, but which is now officially deprecated by the sponsoring project in question, is unreasonable. It's about trust.