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Oh this is easy. It's because the suburbs are perceived as having less diversity due to past decades of redlining. As somebody whose parents moved to a 'nice' s

Oh this is easy. It's because the suburbs are perceived as having less diversity due to past decades of redlining. As somebody whose parents moved to a 'nice' suburb when I was 14, it wasn't so much nicer as it was almost exclusively white.

TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
This doesn't match my experience at all. I moved because I could afford a house in the suburbs, and the lower population density decreases chances of conflict. Not everyone is racist like this
- Werewolf255 5y ago
  I agree overall, just my lived experience in the American South. YMMV. Though, I would push back lightly on your last statement. Two people happily chimed in to challenge my subjective statement. Statements about how bad cities are and the issues caused by systemic lack of investment in social services rarely face much criticism.
  - TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
    Your subjective statement pushes a narrative that racism from white Americans is the cause of the problem. It's reductive and unproductive, which is why it received comments so quickly. Pushback doesn't imply you're right, it implies a divisive comment or subject.
- ggggtez 5y ago
  And yet, just in the parent thread, just look at the comments of people talking about how they don't like cities because of the "hood-rats" and "wanna-be gangsters". The word choice should make you suspicious. When is the last time you heard a white person called a "hood-rat"?
  - TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
    The wanna-be gangster I spoke of was white. I live in one of the whitest regions of the country, but we still have gangsters, ne'er do wells and generally bad people here too. Everywhere does.
    - kbelder 5y ago
      Odd. You're perfectly civil, and relating your own experience, but it's obviously received negatively since it's going against some people's preconceptions.
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    - ggggtez 5y ago
      > that other parents are making racist decisions hiding under a guise of choosing to move for safety In the context of this thread, which is about whether people leave cities under the guise of doing so for safety to excuse the real underlying reasons of racism, this answer isn't that satisfactory. It's the reverse of "I have a black friend". It's "I was scared of white people too". Obviously only you can know the true reasons, but please don't think that just because you made a decision for one set of circumstances that no one made the choice for other reasons. Instead of relying on anecdotes you can look at the data which shows that white people do leave areas in cities with more black people in them. The data is not described by pure economics. The evidence is that some people are making the conscious or unconscious decision to racially segregate.
watwut 5y ago
Afaik, this changed already years ago.
stevenicr 5y ago
While I do think it's a common desire for parents to want to move to places that are safer for their children, and there are many things that relate to this which can be different for different people / places - I do not think that that universally 'less diversity' is the goal. It may be that in many parts of the country a move to less crime is a move to 'less diversity' - but I do not think that is the case for all cities / suburbs everywhere in America. The above comment almost sounds like one is painting their parents as making racist choices, and that other parents are making racist decisions hiding under a guise of choosing to move for safety. I do not think many people in the US are making choices for racial issues. Moves for better schools, less noise, less crime, more family activities, and other things are generally the priority from what I have seen.

TheAdamAndChe 5y ago

This doesn't match my experience at all. I moved because I could afford a house in the suburbs, and the lower population density decreases chances of conflict. Not everyone is racist like this

Werewolf255 5y ago
I agree overall, just my lived experience in the American South. YMMV. Though, I would push back lightly on your last statement. Two people happily chimed in to challenge my subjective statement. Statements about how bad cities are and the issues caused by systemic lack of investment in social services rarely face much criticism.
- TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
  Your subjective statement pushes a narrative that racism from white Americans is the cause of the problem. It's reductive and unproductive, which is why it received comments so quickly. Pushback doesn't imply you're right, it implies a divisive comment or subject.
ggggtez 5y ago
And yet, just in the parent thread, just look at the comments of people talking about how they don't like cities because of the "hood-rats" and "wanna-be gangsters". The word choice should make you suspicious. When is the last time you heard a white person called a "hood-rat"?
- TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
  The wanna-be gangster I spoke of was white. I live in one of the whitest regions of the country, but we still have gangsters, ne'er do wells and generally bad people here too. Everywhere does.
  - kbelder 5y ago
    Odd. You're perfectly civil, and relating your own experience, but it's obviously received negatively since it's going against some people's preconceptions.
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  - ggggtez 5y ago
    > that other parents are making racist decisions hiding under a guise of choosing to move for safety In the context of this thread, which is about whether people leave cities under the guise of doing so for safety to excuse the real underlying reasons of racism, this answer isn't that satisfactory. It's the reverse of "I have a black friend". It's "I was scared of white people too". Obviously only you can know the true reasons, but please don't think that just because you made a decision for one set of circumstances that no one made the choice for other reasons. Instead of relying on anecdotes you can look at the data which shows that white people do leave areas in cities with more black people in them. The data is not described by pure economics. The evidence is that some people are making the conscious or unconscious decision to racially segregate.

watwut 5y ago

Afaik, this changed already years ago.

stevenicr 5y ago

While I do think it's a common desire for parents to want to move to places that are safer for their children, and there are many things that relate to this which can be different for different people / places - I do not think that that universally 'less diversity' is the goal. It may be that in many parts of the country a move to less crime is a move to 'less diversity' - but I do not think that is the case for all cities / suburbs everywhere in America. The above comment almost sounds like one is painting their parents as making racist choices, and that other parents are making racist decisions hiding under a guise of choosing to move for safety. I do not think many people in the US are making choices for racial issues. Moves for better schools, less noise, less crime, more family activities, and other things are generally the priority from what I have seen.