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I'm very sad for the loss of Freenode and one more nail in IRC's coffin (which is probably more nail than coffin by weight now). That being said reading the va
by simias 5y ago
I'm very sad for the loss of Freenode and one more nail in IRC's coffin (which is probably more nail than coffin by weight now).
That being said reading the various IRC logs and blog posts surrounding this issue I can't help but see echoes of some of the more toxic sides of "hacker culture". Diplomacy and human skills are for sissies, we're HACKERS we only care about TECH and if you're offended then you're a PC snowflake, it's just WORDS, focus on the issue, not the way it's framed. A horde of wannabees Linus and Theo.
And then people wonder why FLOSS projects need a code of conduct...
- cpach 5y agoGood point. It’s way too easy for techies to underestimate the importance of “soft” skills. Do this at your own peril.
- watwut 5y agoThis is not about soft skills. It is about ideology and values.
- cpach 5y agoYou do have a point there. Another lesson from this debacle could be this: If you shit on people, they might revolt and cut all the ties to you and your affiliates :D
- simias 5y agoI disagree. I haven't taken the time to dig deep enough into this Freenode drama to really understand where everybody stands and as such I don't have a firm grasp of the various ideologies and values of the different sides. However it's painfully blatant to me that many of the participants seem to be making things worse by lacking a modicum of diplomacy and soft skills.
- watwut 5y agoYou lack soft skills when you are clueless what you are doing. If you are asshole fully knowing what you are doing, or if you take pleasure on doing harm or if you think being aggressive makes one right kind of person, the issue is ideology amd values. "I will offend you and if you object you are PC snowflake" is not lack of soft skills. It is ideology - one that specified who has right to object and who is lower on hierarchy.
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- munificent 5y agoSoft skills are how ideology and values get transmitted.
- immibis 5y agoThis toxicity is not just a lack of "diplomacy and human skills" - it is actively taking one side of the current political divide.
- hparadiz 5y agoA code of conduct doesn't prevent situations like this in any way.