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I don't know about conspiracy, but the general population hasn't needed constant vaccination before. Maybe it's bad, maybe it's good and I suppose it's not tha

I don't know about conspiracy, but the general population hasn't needed constant vaccination before. Maybe it's bad, maybe it's good and I suppose it's not that different than seasonal flu shots... but immunity by subscription still feels new to me. If we take it to the logical limit, does that look like family subscriptions to McAfee mRNA edition? A flu is sequenced in London and x weeks later the vaccination is included in my quarterly update package? EDIT: I'm getting downvoted a lot and I haven't even started on future doctor's office mRNA printers yet! Regulated to heck, partly for security reasons, vendor locked consumables and they use proprietary encryption. They have to jailbreak them in sanctioned countries and enterprising hackers work to decrypt the updates. You wouldn't pirate a vaccine! Would you?

ahevia 5y ago
Constant vaccination? Are we all collectively forgetting all the vaccines we received as children...? The fact we’ve eradicated most childhood viruses because we vaccinated the general population? None of this is new. Just like the recommended seasonal flu vaccine. Most folks won’t bother to get their seasonal covid vaccine. If you were in that group before. Your life hasn’t changed.
- xyzzy123 5y ago
  I'm pro vaxx! If covid is more severe than the flu yet requires a similar vaccination cycle (nobody knows yet!) that does seem like a major change to me. Childhood and travel vaccinations are once-offs and seasonal flu vaccination is a good idea but not a big deal for most.
  - irishsultan 5y ago
    You say that nobody knows whether covid will require a similar vaccination cycle to the flu, but that seems overly pessimistic. We have a fairly good idea how fast covid mutates and how fast the flu mutates and they are not in the same league, so it's very unlikely we would need a similar schedule.
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    - xyzzy123 5y ago
      I also think this is likely but there are a lot of people writing about needing regular boosters and treating that as no big deal. In my view that would be a very interesting development.
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NicoJuicy 5y ago
What do you mean? In the past, deadly diseases reduced population and now we can protect ourselves. Here an image wearing masks from 1918: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.com/amp/article/sports/ncaa/ncaaf/vintage-picture-shows-football-fans-wearing-masks-during-1918-pandemic/531-6714df4c-7464-4949-9a5b-90f5b6170e70 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.com/amp/article/sports... And if you're living in the US, there should be some info from your the history lessons about deadly diseases killing most of the native population... And a lot of people volunteer for flu shots, protecting those unwilling to do so.
enkid 5y ago
There absolutely have been pandemics requiring vaccination drives to end them. Polio and Small Pox are two prominent examples that come to mind. And those worked extremely well in controlling those outbreaks. Second, the yearly flu vaccine already does "updates" to your immune system. That is also not a new concept, and I see nothing ridiculous about it. From what I have read, the portion of the virus targeted by the mRNA vaccines does not mutate as easily as say the flu, which is why these vaccinations still work. You will probably need a booster just to keep your immune system "remembering" the virus, but it probably won't be shifting around as much as a flu shot would
- xyzzy123 5y ago
  Sorry - to you and sibling poster who made a similar point, I wrote poorly. By "constant vaccination" I didn't mean at a population level, I meant a personal need for regular boosters. I agree it's not that likely and I also hope they aren't required.
  - jsight 5y ago
    Some vaccines do need constant boosters, for example Tetnus. Its common to forget or otherwise skip these, and I suspect skipping COVID booster vaccines will be common too.
- mikestew 5y ago
  Polio and Small Pox are two prominent examples that come to mind. And in relation to parent comment, I haven't had a polio or smallpox booster in decades, nor do I expect to ever receive one again. I believe you have misunderstood parent comment.
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> but the general population hasn't needed constant vaccination before. Uh, mass vaccination is 100% a thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine# I would say that we "Need" it. You could say that we don't, but it's vaccines or Polio outbreaks, so IMHO there's only one rational choice and it's not Polio. Yes, there are "vaccinate everyone" vaccines cited above. There are also "seasonal" vaccines for the flu. There has never been a need for a vaccine that is both of those. And once the disease is under control, it doesn't seem like covid-19 will be one.
sophacles 5y ago
> I don't know about conspiracy, but the general population hasn't needed constant vaccination before. This is a bald faced lie. As you say yourself, there's the flu shot. Kids need their shots for school. We need to get various vaccines before traveling between certain regions. There are all sorts of vaccine boosters and new vaccines they have been recommending to my elderly parents since they were late middle age. Hell this isn't even the first (or second, or third) mass vaccination campaign - there was smallpox and polio and measels and chicken pox/shingles. To say that the general population hasn't needed it is literally the exact opposite of anything resembling the truth: we've been constantly getting vaccines for longer than I've been alive.

ahevia 5y ago

Constant vaccination? Are we all collectively forgetting all the vaccines we received as children...? The fact we’ve eradicated most childhood viruses because we vaccinated the general population? None of this is new. Just like the recommended seasonal flu vaccine. Most folks won’t bother to get their seasonal covid vaccine. If you were in that group before. Your life hasn’t changed.

xyzzy123 5y ago
I'm pro vaxx! If covid is more severe than the flu yet requires a similar vaccination cycle (nobody knows yet!) that does seem like a major change to me. Childhood and travel vaccinations are once-offs and seasonal flu vaccination is a good idea but not a big deal for most.
- irishsultan 5y ago
  You say that nobody knows whether covid will require a similar vaccination cycle to the flu, but that seems overly pessimistic. We have a fairly good idea how fast covid mutates and how fast the flu mutates and they are not in the same league, so it's very unlikely we would need a similar schedule.
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  - xyzzy123 5y ago
    I also think this is likely but there are a lot of people writing about needing regular boosters and treating that as no big deal. In my view that would be a very interesting development.
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NicoJuicy 5y ago

What do you mean? In the past, deadly diseases reduced population and now we can protect ourselves. Here an image wearing masks from 1918: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.com/amp/article/sports/ncaa/ncaaf/vintage-picture-shows-football-fans-wearing-masks-during-1918-pandemic/531-6714df4c-7464-4949-9a5b-90f5b6170e70 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.com/amp/article/sports... And if you're living in the US, there should be some info from your the history lessons about deadly diseases killing most of the native population... And a lot of people volunteer for flu shots, protecting those unwilling to do so.

enkid 5y ago

There absolutely have been pandemics requiring vaccination drives to end them. Polio and Small Pox are two prominent examples that come to mind. And those worked extremely well in controlling those outbreaks. Second, the yearly flu vaccine already does "updates" to your immune system. That is also not a new concept, and I see nothing ridiculous about it. From what I have read, the portion of the virus targeted by the mRNA vaccines does not mutate as easily as say the flu, which is why these vaccinations still work. You will probably need a booster just to keep your immune system "remembering" the virus, but it probably won't be shifting around as much as a flu shot would

xyzzy123 5y ago
Sorry - to you and sibling poster who made a similar point, I wrote poorly. By "constant vaccination" I didn't mean at a population level, I meant a personal need for regular boosters. I agree it's not that likely and I also hope they aren't required.
- jsight 5y ago
  Some vaccines do need constant boosters, for example Tetnus. Its common to forget or otherwise skip these, and I suspect skipping COVID booster vaccines will be common too.
mikestew 5y ago
Polio and Small Pox are two prominent examples that come to mind. And in relation to parent comment, I haven't had a polio or smallpox booster in decades, nor do I expect to ever receive one again. I believe you have misunderstood parent comment.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

> but the general population hasn't needed constant vaccination before. Uh, mass vaccination is 100% a thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine# I would say that we "Need" it. You could say that we don't, but it's vaccines or Polio outbreaks, so IMHO there's only one rational choice and it's not Polio. Yes, there are "vaccinate everyone" vaccines cited above. There are also "seasonal" vaccines for the flu. There has never been a need for a vaccine that is both of those. And once the disease is under control, it doesn't seem like covid-19 will be one.

sophacles 5y ago

> I don't know about conspiracy, but the general population hasn't needed constant vaccination before. This is a bald faced lie. As you say yourself, there's the flu shot. Kids need their shots for school. We need to get various vaccines before traveling between certain regions. There are all sorts of vaccine boosters and new vaccines they have been recommending to my elderly parents since they were late middle age. Hell this isn't even the first (or second, or third) mass vaccination campaign - there was smallpox and polio and measels and chicken pox/shingles. To say that the general population hasn't needed it is literally the exact opposite of anything resembling the truth: we've been constantly getting vaccines for longer than I've been alive.