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Covid is surging in the world’s most vaccinated country. Why?

24 points by tmfi 5y ago

bsaul 5y ago
that's what worries me the most with the medical passport that soon will be required everywhere just to go see a concert : now that it's there, it's never going to stop, it can only expand. not only because the virus is very likely to follow the same path as the flu, and so people will need yearly vaccination with mediocre results, but also because politics will use this as a hammer and see nails everywhere. On a sidenote, a 100€ / year vaccine every year, for 6 billions people, enforced by laws... sounds like a dream business model...
- breily 5y ago
  This article has nothing to do with your hypothesized 'vaccine passport'.
  - bsaul 5y ago
    Nothing ? It says current vaccines are potentially unable to stop the spread of new variant. The vaccine passport is a tool designed to stop the spread, based on vaccine, with a potential huge impact on our societies for the next decades.. It's absolutely linked. If vaccines were able to completely stop the epidemic, then the passport would be a temporary thing. If not then it's permanent and a whole different story.
  - presidente20 5y ago
    Not hypothetical. This is actively being discussed in several countries. Relevant because vaccine passports make even less sense if the vaccines don't work.
mulvya 5y ago
A majority of the vaccine doses used in Seychelles is the Sinopharm. It uses a human adenovirus as its viral vector. One aspect that was mentioned early last year in Derek Lowe's roundup is that most Asians have existing antibodies against this adenovirus type (for Indians, I believe the figure is around 80%). That may be why this vaccine may not be adequately effective in certain populations.
- dchest 5y ago
  Sinopharm's vaccine doesn't use adenovirus vector, it's inactivated SARS‑CoV‑2.
  - mulvya 5y ago
    Sorry, I confused it with CanSino.
danielmarkbruce 5y ago
It's a country of many islands and a population of 100k. They hit a few hundred cases a day for a few days. If some little pocket of people isn't vaccinated and everyone went to a sporting/music/religious/whatever event it could have set it off. There is a good chance it's totally random.
- presidente20 5y ago
  There's a good chance that the AZ and Sinopharm vaccines don't work as well.
- tomhoward 5y ago
  Also, the article was published over a week ago. It seems to be dropping off now.

24 points by tmfi 5y ago

that's what worries me the most with the medical passport that soon will be required everywhere just to go see a concert : now that it's there, it's never going to stop, it can only expand. not only because the virus is very likely to follow the same path as the flu, and so people will need yearly vaccination with mediocre results, but also because politics will use this as a hammer and see nails everywhere. On a sidenote, a 100€ / year vaccine every year, for 6 billions people, enforced by laws... sounds like a dream business model...

breily 5y ago
This article has nothing to do with your hypothesized 'vaccine passport'.
- bsaul 5y ago
  Nothing ? It says current vaccines are potentially unable to stop the spread of new variant. The vaccine passport is a tool designed to stop the spread, based on vaccine, with a potential huge impact on our societies for the next decades.. It's absolutely linked. If vaccines were able to completely stop the epidemic, then the passport would be a temporary thing. If not then it's permanent and a whole different story.
- presidente20 5y ago
  Not hypothetical. This is actively being discussed in several countries. Relevant because vaccine passports make even less sense if the vaccines don't work.

mulvya 5y ago

A majority of the vaccine doses used in Seychelles is the Sinopharm. It uses a human adenovirus as its viral vector. One aspect that was mentioned early last year in Derek Lowe's roundup is that most Asians have existing antibodies against this adenovirus type (for Indians, I believe the figure is around 80%). That may be why this vaccine may not be adequately effective in certain populations.

dchest 5y ago
Sinopharm's vaccine doesn't use adenovirus vector, it's inactivated SARS‑CoV‑2.
- mulvya 5y ago
  Sorry, I confused it with CanSino.

danielmarkbruce 5y ago

It's a country of many islands and a population of 100k. They hit a few hundred cases a day for a few days. If some little pocket of people isn't vaccinated and everyone went to a sporting/music/religious/whatever event it could have set it off. There is a good chance it's totally random.

presidente20 5y ago
There's a good chance that the AZ and Sinopharm vaccines don't work as well.
tomhoward 5y ago
Also, the article was published over a week ago. It seems to be dropping off now.