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> Newton OS users: I guess those are technically Apple Silicon but... The Newton wasn't really Apple Silicon: The OMP/MP100/MP110/MP120/MP130 ran an ARM610. Th

by __d 5y ago

> Newton OS users: I guess those are technically Apple Silicon but... The Newton wasn't really Apple Silicon: The OMP/MP100/MP110/MP120/MP130 ran an ARM610. The eMate300 ran an ARM710. The MP2000/MP2100 ran a DEC StrongARM SA-110 CPU. None of which were designed or manufactured by Apple.

phire 5y ago
At the time, Apple owned 50% of ARM. ARM, the company only existed because Apple wanted them to manufacture a CPU for it's Newton project. While Apple might not have designed the ARM610, but they technically owned it.
- __d 5y ago
  I did say "designed or manufactured" ... but I'll concede the point that they had some ownership of the 610/710, at least. On 27 Nov 1990, ARM was formed with Apple owning 43% alongside Acorn (the designer), and VLSI Technology (the manufacturer). Funny thing: I've found two articles that claim two different purchase prices for that 43%: one $3M [0] and the other $1.5B [1]. That's quite a difference! [0] https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-already-saved-apple---twice https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-alrea... [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/97055/this-is-how-arm-saved-apple-from-going-bust-1990s/ https://www.cultofmac.com/97055/this-is-how-arm-saved-apple-...
- klelatti 5y ago
  > At the time, Apple owned 50% of ARM. Nope, Apple never owned 50% of ARM. > ARM, the company only existed because Apple wanted them to manufacture a CPU for it's Newton project. Who knows what would have happened had Apple not invested but Apple was never ARM's only customer. > While Apple might not have designed the ARM610, but they technically owned it. If I own some Apple shares reasonably sure that doesn't mean that "technically" I own the M1.
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tonyedgecombe 5y ago
ARM was a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple Computer and VLSI Technology so it's not that clear cut.

by __d 5y ago

phire 5y ago

At the time, Apple owned 50% of ARM. ARM, the company only existed because Apple wanted them to manufacture a CPU for it's Newton project. While Apple might not have designed the ARM610, but they technically owned it.

__d 5y ago
I did say "designed or manufactured" ... but I'll concede the point that they had some ownership of the 610/710, at least. On 27 Nov 1990, ARM was formed with Apple owning 43% alongside Acorn (the designer), and VLSI Technology (the manufacturer). Funny thing: I've found two articles that claim two different purchase prices for that 43%: one $3M [0] and the other $1.5B [1]. That's quite a difference! [0] https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-already-saved-apple---twice https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-alrea... [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/97055/this-is-how-arm-saved-apple-from-going-bust-1990s/ https://www.cultofmac.com/97055/this-is-how-arm-saved-apple-...
klelatti 5y ago
> At the time, Apple owned 50% of ARM. Nope, Apple never owned 50% of ARM. > ARM, the company only existed because Apple wanted them to manufacture a CPU for it's Newton project. Who knows what would have happened had Apple not invested but Apple was never ARM's only customer. > While Apple might not have designed the ARM610, but they technically owned it. If I own some Apple shares reasonably sure that doesn't mean that "technically" I own the M1.

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tonyedgecombe 5y ago

ARM was a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple Computer and VLSI Technology so it's not that clear cut.