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>I don't think it's constructive to talk about ideological motivation; It is. If you are going to label the problem as black-on-asian, I'd like to at least kno

>I don't think it's constructive to talk about ideological motivation; It is. If you are going to label the problem as black-on-asian, I'd like to at least know what black people, specifically, are attacking asians. When the media uses labels about white supremacy it's usually because white mass shooters are usually ideologically motivated; they aren't killing people to steal money or eliminate competition, they are committing these crimes specifically because the victims aren't white. What I'm trying to see if there is a common motivation (rooted in, lack for a better-term "black" supremacy), or if this just an uptick in crime by an economic class that skews black. I'm not even saying its false, and I'm passing no judgement; but I've seen this rhetoric increase and I'm wondering what the source of it is.

haram_masala 5y ago
One proximal but surely insufficient explanation is that assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”).
- nemothekid 5y ago
  >assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”). It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results. Secondly, a trend in hip-hop would be a trend in American pop culture. Hip hop, is currently the biggest music genre in America - if what you say is true I can't imagine how I would have missed it. A quick Google search doesn't mention anything from the top Spotify artists about it.
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  - haram_masala 5y ago
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web … returns plenty of results. And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. Let’s assume the best of each other here on HN and not accuse people of making things up.
    - nemothekid 5y ago
      >And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. It's not, and thats why I am pressing this point. Billboards top 5 artists of last year were all hip hop[1]. Saying hip hop only caters to black people is like saying Soccer caters to the british. There is no way such a tiny demographic could drive international recognition for the medium. Next the results you provided don't show any sort of trend. The only relevant results link to the same subreddit which calls out a single racist rapper who made a racist tweet in 2013. The rapper Drakeo is hardly relevant (he has less than 100k followers on Twitter). I don't know how a barely known rapper tweeting out a racist remark, since 2013, constitutes a trend in the largest music genre in America right now. I'm pushing back because I want to know how these narratives are being created. I don't think it was your intention to inflate the nature of the trend, but I'm wondering why these memes are starting to grow all the sudden. [1] https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-artists https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-artists
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      - rkk3 5y ago
        Post Malone, The Weeknd, Drake ... Those are all commercial pop singers, they are associated with hip hop culture in the same sense that Sum41 or Blink182 is associated with punk culture.
    - magicalist 5y ago
      > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web … returns plenty of results Yeah, so are we talking the recipe site or the Kirby 3DS letsplay video here? > And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. What year is it? We can assume the best but let's also not casually throw out significant claims without evidence and correlations based on things that haven't been true since like 1990.

haram_masala 5y ago

One proximal but surely insufficient explanation is that assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”).

nemothekid 5y ago
>assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”). It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results. Secondly, a trend in hip-hop would be a trend in American pop culture. Hip hop, is currently the biggest music genre in America - if what you say is true I can't imagine how I would have missed it. A quick Google search doesn't mention anything from the top Spotify artists about it.
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- haram_masala 5y ago
  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web … returns plenty of results. And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. Let’s assume the best of each other here on HN and not accuse people of making things up.
  - nemothekid 5y ago
    >And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. It's not, and thats why I am pressing this point. Billboards top 5 artists of last year were all hip hop[1]. Saying hip hop only caters to black people is like saying Soccer caters to the british. There is no way such a tiny demographic could drive international recognition for the medium. Next the results you provided don't show any sort of trend. The only relevant results link to the same subreddit which calls out a single racist rapper who made a racist tweet in 2013. The rapper Drakeo is hardly relevant (he has less than 100k followers on Twitter). I don't know how a barely known rapper tweeting out a racist remark, since 2013, constitutes a trend in the largest music genre in America right now. I'm pushing back because I want to know how these narratives are being created. I don't think it was your intention to inflate the nature of the trend, but I'm wondering why these memes are starting to grow all the sudden. [1] https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-artists https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-artists
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    - rkk3 5y ago
      Post Malone, The Weeknd, Drake ... Those are all commercial pop singers, they are associated with hip hop culture in the same sense that Sum41 or Blink182 is associated with punk culture.
  - magicalist 5y ago
    > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web … returns plenty of results Yeah, so are we talking the recipe site or the Kirby 3DS letsplay video here? > And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. What year is it? We can assume the best but let's also not casually throw out significant claims without evidence and correlations based on things that haven't been true since like 1990.