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For those of us outside of the US, can someone explain the background of what's happening? Is there a group using covid or conflict with the CCP to incite viole

For those of us outside of the US, can someone explain the background of what's happening? Is there a group using covid or conflict with the CCP to incite violence against Asians? Or is this just the relentless churn of everyday pointless hideous violence that has been previously un-noted in a media when the victims were asian?

andyxor 5y ago
black-on-asian violence has exploded in 2020-21 and the US liberals are trying to hide it as it doesn't fit the "black victim" narrative, aka BLM and all that. That narrative has been applied successfully for political gain , i.e. it's easier to get public support for fake "social justice" causes vs. actually fixing the underlying (predominantly economic) problems which originate in bad policy and bloated government.
- zachm0 5y ago
  Can you link to something that shows that black-on-asian violence has exploded in 2020-21? I wasn't able to find anything.
alephnan 5y ago
I will get downvoted and flagged for sharing this context, but here it is anyways Silicon Valley is predominated by and attracts people who are left leaning. This ideology carries with it a narrative that there is an oppressed group and a oppressing group. In America, the form this narrative takes is that non-whites are oppressed by white supremacy. There is a notion that Asians are a “model minority” who fare better socioeconomically than even the white majority which is inconvenient to this narrative. People on the right believes this shows white supremacy does not exist. People on the left thinks the notion of a model minority is a divide and conquer tactic to advance white supremacy. The left ironically still believes the Asian Model Minority is real, because it’s initiatives for equity usually does not extend to Asian people. To be more concrete, tech companies will have initiatives to hire more ethnic minorities, however Asians are usually precluded. Reporting White on Asian violence fits in with the White Supremacy narrative. Reporting Asians are victims to other ethnic groups would not advance the agenda that the oppressed group is worth helping.
- alephnan 5y ago
  I say “notion” for Asian being model minorities is because it depends on how you define success. Asians have, on average, higher incomes than other groups in the US including whites. Asians are overrepresented in tech. However, when you look at senior and executive positions, Asians are underrepresented. This is known as the bamboo ceiling. Tech companies while left leaning is still predominantly white in management positions. Since the Trump era, the American right is often accused of supporting or being white supremacists. Additionally, to suggest Asians are victims is equivalent is equivalent to being a white supremacist (hence the movement is coined Stop Hate Asian rather than Stop Asian Racism, because the left believes Asians cannot be the victims of racism ). Like “minority”, the word “supremacy” is selective. The Trump base is lead by poor rural whites who hold little economic power. Meanwhile, their Silicon Valley counterpart is highly educated and affluent. Again, whites are at the top. As we know, tech has huge influence of media and access to information, and so ironically, tech companies are quite possibly the White supremacists. As an example of this irony in white liberals, there were documented examples of a white Black Lives Matter protester yelling in the face of a black police office telling them they were the racist ones.
  - arionhardison 5y ago
    This comment is rife with the bias that asians use to oppress other minorities, mainly blacks. Interestingly this is the one thing you do not allude to at all. You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims, you paint all whites as bad faith actors. This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets called out. Unfortunately stop asian hate is only seen as stopping hate directed toward asians, it would be a much more effective strategy if asians and all people would take this to mean asians should also stop the hate the direct at others.
    - alephnan 5y ago
      > You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims I'm not sure where you get this. If anything, you're the one perpetuating the victimhood mentality right now > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out First of all, I'm not fond of the #StopAsianHate movement. It is populated with the same ironic Silicon Valley hypocrisy, and many "Boba Liberals" who mansplain privilege to us all. But notice that they named it Stop Asian Hate instead of Stop Asian Racism, as to not steal the thunder of Black Lives Matter. FWIW, I personally don't consider all of this Asian hate. I consider it racism towards Asian. > you paint all whites as bad faith actor Nope, mainly just the hypocrisy of privileged Silicon Valley types from the suburbs who post a picture with the one black friend they have and use minorities as an excuse to shed their white guilt, instead of actually paying principal on two acres and a mule > Unfortunately stop asian hate is only seen as stopping hate directed toward asians, it would be a much more effective strategy if asians and all people would take this to mean asians should also stop the hate the direct at others. Is Black Lives Matter's strategy to stop racism towards directed white people? Is it strategy to uplift other minorities, or to detract from it as you are now. Many Asian people believe they are allies with blacks, but many blacks reflect your sentiment that they are fighting their own battle. If you believe your own people's plight takes precedence over others, I think that's fair, just don't be ironic about it and call it out when other people ( such as myself ) do the same for their own. > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets called out. I actually wrote a dozen paragraph follow up to another commenter from Australia who was confused by the newfound Asian resentment and whether it was due to immigration. I brought up Google searching "Rooftop Koreans" ( which you can argue is form of Asian victimhood) and the idea in the black community that Asian businesses profit off blacks, which I'm sure you believe in given the tone and sentiment you're expressing here. I deleted it because I felt this thread was over and no one was actually going to read it, and potentially it will just feed into the division because it's hard to decouple the recent years from politics. There's countless Asians on the left aka "Boba Liberals" who are very keen on mansplaining white supremacy to everyone, and also reminding the history of blacks and asians, the good blacks has done for all minorities, and reminding the Asian community of anti-blackness. I've also seen this in the reverse with blacks being allies to Asians. Then I've also seen many people like you who presume Stop Asian Hate is a euphemism for anti-blackness. Maybe you're the one projecting your own assumptions about who is perpetrating the Asian hate crimes. Everyone is on a spectrum, but your response paints all Asians as anti-black, but would also explain why your belief template interpets my comment as saying all blacks are perpetual victims and all whites are to blame. It's not helping your cause at all when even the "Boba Liberals" feel betrayed that their support of others is not reciprocated.

andyxor 5y ago

black-on-asian violence has exploded in 2020-21 and the US liberals are trying to hide it as it doesn't fit the "black victim" narrative, aka BLM and all that. That narrative has been applied successfully for political gain , i.e. it's easier to get public support for fake "social justice" causes vs. actually fixing the underlying (predominantly economic) problems which originate in bad policy and bloated government.

zachm0 5y ago
Can you link to something that shows that black-on-asian violence has exploded in 2020-21? I wasn't able to find anything.

alephnan 5y ago

I will get downvoted and flagged for sharing this context, but here it is anyways Silicon Valley is predominated by and attracts people who are left leaning. This ideology carries with it a narrative that there is an oppressed group and a oppressing group. In America, the form this narrative takes is that non-whites are oppressed by white supremacy. There is a notion that Asians are a “model minority” who fare better socioeconomically than even the white majority which is inconvenient to this narrative. People on the right believes this shows white supremacy does not exist. People on the left thinks the notion of a model minority is a divide and conquer tactic to advance white supremacy. The left ironically still believes the Asian Model Minority is real, because it’s initiatives for equity usually does not extend to Asian people. To be more concrete, tech companies will have initiatives to hire more ethnic minorities, however Asians are usually precluded. Reporting White on Asian violence fits in with the White Supremacy narrative. Reporting Asians are victims to other ethnic groups would not advance the agenda that the oppressed group is worth helping.

alephnan 5y ago
I say “notion” for Asian being model minorities is because it depends on how you define success. Asians have, on average, higher incomes than other groups in the US including whites. Asians are overrepresented in tech. However, when you look at senior and executive positions, Asians are underrepresented. This is known as the bamboo ceiling. Tech companies while left leaning is still predominantly white in management positions. Since the Trump era, the American right is often accused of supporting or being white supremacists. Additionally, to suggest Asians are victims is equivalent is equivalent to being a white supremacist (hence the movement is coined Stop Hate Asian rather than Stop Asian Racism, because the left believes Asians cannot be the victims of racism ). Like “minority”, the word “supremacy” is selective. The Trump base is lead by poor rural whites who hold little economic power. Meanwhile, their Silicon Valley counterpart is highly educated and affluent. Again, whites are at the top. As we know, tech has huge influence of media and access to information, and so ironically, tech companies are quite possibly the White supremacists. As an example of this irony in white liberals, there were documented examples of a white Black Lives Matter protester yelling in the face of a black police office telling them they were the racist ones.
- arionhardison 5y ago
  This comment is rife with the bias that asians use to oppress other minorities, mainly blacks. Interestingly this is the one thing you do not allude to at all. You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims, you paint all whites as bad faith actors. This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets called out. Unfortunately stop asian hate is only seen as stopping hate directed toward asians, it would be a much more effective strategy if asians and all people would take this to mean asians should also stop the hate the direct at others.
  - alephnan 5y ago
    > You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims I'm not sure where you get this. If anything, you're the one perpetuating the victimhood mentality right now > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out First of all, I'm not fond of the #StopAsianHate movement. It is populated with the same ironic Silicon Valley hypocrisy, and many "Boba Liberals" who mansplain privilege to us all. But notice that they named it Stop Asian Hate instead of Stop Asian Racism, as to not steal the thunder of Black Lives Matter. FWIW, I personally don't consider all of this Asian hate. I consider it racism towards Asian. > you paint all whites as bad faith actor Nope, mainly just the hypocrisy of privileged Silicon Valley types from the suburbs who post a picture with the one black friend they have and use minorities as an excuse to shed their white guilt, instead of actually paying principal on two acres and a mule > Unfortunately stop asian hate is only seen as stopping hate directed toward asians, it would be a much more effective strategy if asians and all people would take this to mean asians should also stop the hate the direct at others. Is Black Lives Matter's strategy to stop racism towards directed white people? Is it strategy to uplift other minorities, or to detract from it as you are now. Many Asian people believe they are allies with blacks, but many blacks reflect your sentiment that they are fighting their own battle. If you believe your own people's plight takes precedence over others, I think that's fair, just don't be ironic about it and call it out when other people ( such as myself ) do the same for their own. > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets called out. I actually wrote a dozen paragraph follow up to another commenter from Australia who was confused by the newfound Asian resentment and whether it was due to immigration. I brought up Google searching "Rooftop Koreans" ( which you can argue is form of Asian victimhood) and the idea in the black community that Asian businesses profit off blacks, which I'm sure you believe in given the tone and sentiment you're expressing here. I deleted it because I felt this thread was over and no one was actually going to read it, and potentially it will just feed into the division because it's hard to decouple the recent years from politics. There's countless Asians on the left aka "Boba Liberals" who are very keen on mansplaining white supremacy to everyone, and also reminding the history of blacks and asians, the good blacks has done for all minorities, and reminding the Asian community of anti-blackness. I've also seen this in the reverse with blacks being allies to Asians. Then I've also seen many people like you who presume Stop Asian Hate is a euphemism for anti-blackness. Maybe you're the one projecting your own assumptions about who is perpetrating the Asian hate crimes. Everyone is on a spectrum, but your response paints all Asians as anti-black, but would also explain why your belief template interpets my comment as saying all blacks are perpetual victims and all whites are to blame. It's not helping your cause at all when even the "Boba Liberals" feel betrayed that their support of others is not reciprocated.