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Sure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way,

Sure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. 2. There's a lot of Asians (especially those from overseas) who don't understand the historical context, and aren't privy to empathy or compassion when they're being targeted. This dynamic isn't something that's new. When I grew up in NYC in the 80s, it was like Chinese immigrants were fair game. The poorer Chinese immigrants were the only folks who other groups had any "power" over. In turn, it's been really difficult educating my own relatives about this, and the prejudice that they may have. It's sad, and I understand them. 3. The matter is something that has caused real rifts in the AAPI communities. Asians as a group are not uniformly affluent, and the folks who live in inner-city neighborhoods feel as if the "boba Asians" don't understand them. It's these poorer Asians who are subjected to the brunt of the violence and prejudice. 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going on. Edit: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMevdw3yn/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMevdw3yn/

haram_masala 5y ago
I can’t speak to the other three points you made - though they sound reasonable and plausible. But divide-and-conquer is certainly being practiced in America today, both within ethnic communities and between them. It’s a nasty game orchestrated by the media and large corporations, and not fundamentally different than how it’s been practiced in other countries, like Rwanda and early Soviet Russia.
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sol_invictus 5y ago
> 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. Not sure I'm understanding; are you saying asians are targeted by blacks because of some "race retaliation" scheme? > 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going on. Divide-and-conquer of what exactly?
- ergocoder 5y ago
  "model minority" is a narrative that may be true or false. Maybe they are taught. I have no idea. But there are several cases where black attacked Asians unprovoked. Like what else was the reason for an attack?? Another reason is that blacks aren't arrested or prosecuted when attacking Asians. There are a few examples where SF tried hard to downplay (and/or not prosecute at all) black-on-asian crime. For example, you can search for the news reporter Dion Lim where she found that a black-on-asian case is dropped silently.
- bingbong70 5y ago
  Western monopoly capital is aware that Afro-Asian unity is a potential economic threat. Dividing these communities is a priority to some... The narratives will be mainstreamed, any problems will be amplified, and I have a feeling covert elements have/will fund the conflict. This also potentially results in the side effect of Asians (specifically Chinese) fleeing the country and/or siding with the majority against African liberation and civil rights issues. This is seen as a win-win scenario. Anyone that's closely studied colonial history intuitively understands what might be going on and recognizes the pattern. The structures capable of this kind of sabotage (that historically operated in Asia, Africa and South/Central America) didn't die off, they just became dormant/less-active temporarily.
JPKab 5y ago
There's a fair bit of talk in some of my circles that all of this is a divide and conquer strategy by very wealthy people trying to make sure that people in the working classes stay divided based on race. The reality of this is that really really crappy people exist in all racial categories and they do really crappy things to other people especially if they are different than them. These crappy people are a minority of any race but too often we talk about it as if they are majority of any given race. If we would stop talking about race and start focusing on class then the less affluent Asians wouldn't get turned down from colleges because they are lumped in with the affluent suburban Asians. The white kids from the trailer parks in Eastern Kentucky wouldn't get turned down because they are lumped in with the rich white kids at Sidwell Friends School. I'm only saying all this because I recently had the wonderful experience of getting lectured on equity by a CEO making over a hundred times more than the average employee at my former company. The fact that it works so well was the worst part about it. The employees were going after each other over their skin color and ancestral guilt / victimhood and completely ignoring the fact that this useless CEO isn't worth three programmers let alone a hundred of them.
- idrios 5y ago
  Of all the comments in this very sensitive thread, this is the one I hope people see. I've noticed there are a number of divides like this.. minorities vs racists, women vs misogynists, foreigners vs xenophobes, millennials vs boomers, and trust vs distrust in technology/science. This list matches the fact that the labor pool is currently being diluted with increased participation of minorities and women in the workforce, outsourcing of jobs or immigration labor, an older generation that hasn't yet retired, and automation of labor. It follows suit that a young white male with a poor education might have an extremely difficult time entering the job market. This person is the most likely to look at his dismal situation and place blame on these demographics that he's in competition with. Ideally, instead he would see them as his peers, that each of these demographics would see him as a peer, and that they would see each other as peers. But I imagine there are those at the top who do not want the finger pointed at them, and so are happy to reinforce people's existing biases
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threatofrain 5y ago
It's also possible that during the LA race riots, since asians (esp Korean) were left to fend for themselves against mobs, this has led to an inheritance of racially negative stories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots I would also note that many discussions about American racial injustice, particularly in the education system, treats asians as if they are barely worth discussing. Only the GOP seemed to have been interested in picking up the issue, and only very little in an opportunistic way. https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11...
rswskg 5y ago
This sounds dangerously like victim blaming.

haram_masala 5y ago

I can’t speak to the other three points you made - though they sound reasonable and plausible. But divide-and-conquer is certainly being practiced in America today, both within ethnic communities and between them. It’s a nasty game orchestrated by the media and large corporations, and not fundamentally different than how it’s been practiced in other countries, like Rwanda and early Soviet Russia.

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sol_invictus 5y ago

> 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. Not sure I'm understanding; are you saying asians are targeted by blacks because of some "race retaliation" scheme? > 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going on. Divide-and-conquer of what exactly?

ergocoder 5y ago
"model minority" is a narrative that may be true or false. Maybe they are taught. I have no idea. But there are several cases where black attacked Asians unprovoked. Like what else was the reason for an attack?? Another reason is that blacks aren't arrested or prosecuted when attacking Asians. There are a few examples where SF tried hard to downplay (and/or not prosecute at all) black-on-asian crime. For example, you can search for the news reporter Dion Lim where she found that a black-on-asian case is dropped silently.
bingbong70 5y ago
Western monopoly capital is aware that Afro-Asian unity is a potential economic threat. Dividing these communities is a priority to some... The narratives will be mainstreamed, any problems will be amplified, and I have a feeling covert elements have/will fund the conflict. This also potentially results in the side effect of Asians (specifically Chinese) fleeing the country and/or siding with the majority against African liberation and civil rights issues. This is seen as a win-win scenario. Anyone that's closely studied colonial history intuitively understands what might be going on and recognizes the pattern. The structures capable of this kind of sabotage (that historically operated in Asia, Africa and South/Central America) didn't die off, they just became dormant/less-active temporarily.

JPKab 5y ago

There's a fair bit of talk in some of my circles that all of this is a divide and conquer strategy by very wealthy people trying to make sure that people in the working classes stay divided based on race. The reality of this is that really really crappy people exist in all racial categories and they do really crappy things to other people especially if they are different than them. These crappy people are a minority of any race but too often we talk about it as if they are majority of any given race. If we would stop talking about race and start focusing on class then the less affluent Asians wouldn't get turned down from colleges because they are lumped in with the affluent suburban Asians. The white kids from the trailer parks in Eastern Kentucky wouldn't get turned down because they are lumped in with the rich white kids at Sidwell Friends School. I'm only saying all this because I recently had the wonderful experience of getting lectured on equity by a CEO making over a hundred times more than the average employee at my former company. The fact that it works so well was the worst part about it. The employees were going after each other over their skin color and ancestral guilt / victimhood and completely ignoring the fact that this useless CEO isn't worth three programmers let alone a hundred of them.

idrios 5y ago
Of all the comments in this very sensitive thread, this is the one I hope people see. I've noticed there are a number of divides like this.. minorities vs racists, women vs misogynists, foreigners vs xenophobes, millennials vs boomers, and trust vs distrust in technology/science. This list matches the fact that the labor pool is currently being diluted with increased participation of minorities and women in the workforce, outsourcing of jobs or immigration labor, an older generation that hasn't yet retired, and automation of labor. It follows suit that a young white male with a poor education might have an extremely difficult time entering the job market. This person is the most likely to look at his dismal situation and place blame on these demographics that he's in competition with. Ideally, instead he would see them as his peers, that each of these demographics would see him as a peer, and that they would see each other as peers. But I imagine there are those at the top who do not want the finger pointed at them, and so are happy to reinforce people's existing biases
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threatofrain 5y ago

It's also possible that during the LA race riots, since asians (esp Korean) were left to fend for themselves against mobs, this has led to an inheritance of racially negative stories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots I would also note that many discussions about American racial injustice, particularly in the education system, treats asians as if they are barely worth discussing. Only the GOP seemed to have been interested in picking up the issue, and only very little in an opportunistic way. https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11...

rswskg 5y ago

This sounds dangerously like victim blaming.