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Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?
by sol_invictus 5y ago
Does black-on-asian violence have some kind of special status in comparison to black-on-any-other-skin-color violence?
- alephnan 5y agoNo, but Asian people have been on the receiving end of hate crimes more recently
- tartoran 5y agoAbsolutely, especially post Covid I've seen several senseless random attacks on Asians regardless of nationality or origins. I hope it's just a passing thing which was fueled by Trump. I feel for them. I feel for all folks whose mere look renders them targets for hate crimes. I really thought we put that behind but recently, during the past 5 years I realized how wrong I was.
- JPKab 5y agoCan you please point to some of the recent attacks that you think were perpetrated by Trump supporters? I wasn't aware he had a large base in Oakland.
- tartoran 5y agoSeveral attacks on asians in the last couple of months in New York suggest that there is a problem related to Trump followers, fans, whatever you want to call them. Several were caught that’s why I drew this conclusion. If you remember Trump stirred a lot of hate in this country and while these sentiments didn’t start with Trump, he certainly brought them to the surface.
- malandrew 5y agocan you provide at least anecdotal examples of attacks committed by trump supporters?
- fitzie 5y agoif you look at the polling data, more minorities voted for the Republicans during 2020 than any time in the last forty years. The idea that Trump stirred up racial hate is not established in the broader community. and there are plenty of examples of the left using racial sensitivities to drive politician opinion and support, going as far as making up fake racial attacks (aka hate hoaxes). oddly, these are rarely denounced for the hatred and fear they create.
- JPKab 5y agoYou aren't wrong about this, and to boot, I just got back from a week and a half with my in-laws, who are Filipino-Americans. They are pretty rabid Trump supporters, probably not unrelated to the fact that my wife's family are universally successful, extremely wealthy, entrepreneurs. They live in Atlanta, and therefore the topic of the massage parlor shooting came up. The refrain I kept hearing from my wife's uncle, specifically, was that "we know what we see with our own eyes, and it doesn't match what THEY (he meant the establishment media) are trying to tell us". It was a rather surreal experience arguing about Trump with them as a white dude, with them being the defenders.
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- alephnan 5y agoAs I said, White liberals are the white supremacists dictating to minorities what they ought to believe.
- MikeUt 5y agoThey're trying to convince others of what they believe is true. Calling that 'supremacist' is quite a stretch.
- alephnan 5y agoAre they expressing their opinions when they correct minorities on what the minority experience is actually like? How does it make sense when the most privileged people the ones mansplaining privilege to others? What is the difference between holier-than-thou woke elitism that is commonplace in tech versus supremacy? Why is that tech workers from white, white, white suburban backgrounds ( which includes Asians ) where their parents paid for SAT prep courses also the loudest voices in social justice movements while the blue collar minorities I talked to were busy in their hourly work during the pandemic instead of having the privilege of encouraging protests in the middle of a pandemic ? The data shows minorities including blacks and LGBTQ have trended towards Trump since 2016 while upper class whites have shifted the other way, meanwhile the narrative of racism, inclusivity and toxic righteouness has been escalated by the left. But of course, anyone who supports Trump is racist, dumb, uneducated, when quite possibly they don’t care for him more so than the rejection of white progressive ideals and the white owned tech oligarchy
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- whoevercares 5y agoTry bully a Russian
- tartoran 5y agoWhy bully anyone at all?
- whoevercares 5y agoRegardless how you wish, some people WILL bully some other people - it’s the animal side of human. I’d rather be a polar bear with a gun when that happens
- tomjakubowski 5y agoWhat good is a gun if you don't have any thumbs?
- alephnan 5y agoIn the 90s, Chinese tongs were shutdown under the RICO anti racketeering acts against organized crime. One of their main sources of income for the Chinese organized crime was selling firecrackers to celebrate Lunar New Year
- colordrops 5y agoIt doesn't fit the white supremacist narrative. Several articles and news stories were attempting to sell violence on Asians as a result of the white supremacy / privilege, but that died down when the truth didn't fit.
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- lambdasquirrel 5y agoSure, let me try to explain. 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. 2. There's a lot of Asians (especially those from overseas) who don't understand the historical context, and aren't privy to empathy or compassion when they're being targeted. This dynamic isn't something that's new. When I grew up in NYC in the 80s, it was like Chinese immigrants were fair game. The poorer Chinese immigrants were the only folks who other groups had any "power" over. In turn, it's been really difficult educating my own relatives about this, and the prejudice that they may have. It's sad, and I understand them. 3. The matter is something that has caused real rifts in the AAPI communities. Asians as a group are not uniformly affluent, and the folks who live in inner-city neighborhoods feel as if the "boba Asians" don't understand them. It's these poorer Asians who are subjected to the brunt of the violence and prejudice. 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going on. Edit: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMevdw3yn/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMevdw3yn/
- haram_masala 5y agoI can’t speak to the other three points you made - though they sound reasonable and plausible. But divide-and-conquer is certainly being practiced in America today, both within ethnic communities and between them. It’s a nasty game orchestrated by the media and large corporations, and not fundamentally different than how it’s been practiced in other countries, like Rwanda and early Soviet Russia.
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- sol_invictus 5y ago> 1. Just like Asians have been the "model minority," Blacks are treated as the opposite. There's a lot of resentment going one way, and a lot of "what did you hit me for?" going the other way. Not sure I'm understanding; are you saying asians are targeted by blacks because of some "race retaliation" scheme? > 4. There's a fair bit of talk these days in some of my circles that there's a divide-and-conquer thing going on. Divide-and-conquer of what exactly?
- 271828182846 5y agoAfter being confronted with footage on the issue I was also surprised to not see white Karens and Karls being the perpetrators but black folks.