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USA took Iranian independence and that didn't do anything but give them a dictator who gave/sold oil for cheap to the US/UK; Afghanistan was better of before U

USA took Iranian independence and that didn't do anything but give them a dictator who gave/sold oil for cheap to the US/UK; Afghanistan was better of before US took it... now Taliban controls more territory then they did before US came in... list of countries that depended on the USA that got totally screwed over is larger then the list of a few that USA let become rich and prosperous.

trs8080 5y ago
people like the person you're replying to never want to understand why these countries became "shithole countries" in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- marcodiego 5y ago
  As a Brazilian, USA support in the 1964 military coup in Brazil is something that has negative consequences that endure to this day and will probably still last a few more decades.
cpleppert 5y ago
Iran sold oil at basically the same price and with the same legal structure as Saudi Aramaco did. That shouldn't be surprising, both countries reliance on western expertise and capital investment lessened dramatically in the decade following the initial concessions; and with it, Iran and Saudi arabia were able to overturn the initial legal framework that favored UK and US investors. Iran and Saudi Arabia certainly did not give oil away. As for Afghanistan, the taliban has only recently expanded its territorial base before 9/11. The afghan government of today controls more territory than the soviet backed state ever did; whose control only extended to the major population centers and connecting arteries.
lightgreen 5y ago
> USA took Iranian independence Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no? > Afghanistan was better of before US took it Which conflict you are talking about? War in Afghanistan started almost 50 years ago. > now Taliban controls more territory then they did before US came in Yeah, the US need to finish what it started. I think Trump decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan was a mistake.
- trs8080 5y ago
  > Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no? This is incorrect. In 1953, the United States overthrew the democratically elected PM and installed a dictator. The Islamic Revolution was a response to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
  - lightgreen 5y ago
    I see, thanks. Anyway, it does not disprove my point about countries which became dependent on US, and civil wars where one party is supported by the US.
  - Mediterraneo10 5y ago
    It is oversimplistic to say the Islamic Revolution was a response to that, because the Shah was already gone when Khomeini returned from exile. Rather, the general Iranian Revolution (with its heavy involvement of Communists and other secular movements) was a response to the Shah's dictatorship, and then the subsequent Islamic Revolution was a taking advantage of the resultant power vacuum.

trs8080 5y ago

people like the person you're replying to never want to understand why these countries became "shithole countries" in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

marcodiego 5y ago
As a Brazilian, USA support in the 1964 military coup in Brazil is something that has negative consequences that endure to this day and will probably still last a few more decades.

cpleppert 5y ago

Iran sold oil at basically the same price and with the same legal structure as Saudi Aramaco did. That shouldn't be surprising, both countries reliance on western expertise and capital investment lessened dramatically in the decade following the initial concessions; and with it, Iran and Saudi arabia were able to overturn the initial legal framework that favored UK and US investors. Iran and Saudi Arabia certainly did not give oil away. As for Afghanistan, the taliban has only recently expanded its territorial base before 9/11. The afghan government of today controls more territory than the soviet backed state ever did; whose control only extended to the major population centers and connecting arteries.

lightgreen 5y ago

> USA took Iranian independence Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no? > Afghanistan was better of before US took it Which conflict you are talking about? War in Afghanistan started almost 50 years ago. > now Taliban controls more territory then they did before US came in Yeah, the US need to finish what it started. I think Trump decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan was a mistake.

trs8080 5y ago
> Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no? This is incorrect. In 1953, the United States overthrew the democratically elected PM and installed a dictator. The Islamic Revolution was a response to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
- lightgreen 5y ago
  I see, thanks. Anyway, it does not disprove my point about countries which became dependent on US, and civil wars where one party is supported by the US.
- Mediterraneo10 5y ago
  It is oversimplistic to say the Islamic Revolution was a response to that, because the Shah was already gone when Khomeini returned from exile. Rather, the general Iranian Revolution (with its heavy involvement of Communists and other secular movements) was a response to the Shah's dictatorship, and then the subsequent Islamic Revolution was a taking advantage of the resultant power vacuum.