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Yeah I dont really understand the cognitive dissonance people have over that war. Vietnam has a single party Communist Party that teaches Marxist ideals while

Yeah I dont really understand the cognitive dissonance people have over that war. Vietnam has a single party Communist Party that teaches Marxist ideals while having upgraded to state capital patches like every other marxist ideology worshipping party. They are geopolitically irrelevant enough for that never to bother anyone. The US was there to stop that specific thing from happening and didnt. US lost, Vietnam was unified and the control was consolidated under Vietnamese representatives of the communist party and for them they won. That’s the same standard we use for any conflict. Why single out that one to a higher standard where we point out the loss of life? Doesnt make sense. Vietnam won a unified country, and it is under communist rule. There once was a side that didnt want communism and they lost, too!

yossarian1408 5y ago
Depends on what you think the objectives were. Did the USA want to add another star to the Star Spangled Banner? Then yeah, they lost. But if the objective of the USA was to prevent a domino of communism taking over all of South-East Asia, we can pretty clearly see where the advance of communism was stopped. And if an American and a North Vietnamese communist from 1955 could see into the future 70 years, taking a tour around Hanoi or Saigon, I don't know if either would be so certain on their verdict of who 'won' or 'lost'. It might have been the North, but it certainly wasn't the communists.
- vmception 5y ago
  I don't think anybody indoctrinated with marxist teachings is satisfied with any current or attempted version of communism. So in that regard I would agree, I still say its an impossible standard not used for other conflicts. Even the last massacre in China was because the protestors wanted to democratically have more communism instead of the liberalization of the markets and private ownership. That gets reduced to “students wanted democracy”, geopolitically it would have even been worse. (It is sad they were killed and that unity in that country relies on never mentioning it or any other strife)
- afterburner 5y ago
  > But if the objective of the USA was to prevent a domino of communism taking over all of South-East Asia, we can pretty clearly see where the advance of communism was stopped. But Communism flourished in Vietnam. So if you want to argue domino theory (which was wrong anyways), they certainly didn't stop the Vietnamese domino. So they didn't win in Vietnam.
steve76 5y ago
Soviet Union collapsed, right? China went free market. And with covid, I guess nature doesn't like senile murderers telling everyone what to do from far far away, under the threat of death by organ harvesting. The USA still has the rule of law. Marx, a European with a higher body count than any colonialist by the way, has no law. Barbaric animals, who will send you to the glue factory for a case of whiskey. The USA was there because of Pearl Harbor. That ended in a battle the size of the Pacific, the sinking of 30 Japanese aircraft carriers that we actually built for them, and atomic warfare. Stalin killed FDR, making him travel to Yalta and Tehran. Stole our bomb. Raped children. And tried to start WW3 every chance he got. Kruschev killed Kennedy. He did give that order for assassination. What horrible people. The New World bails everyone out. Gives everyone human rights and makes them rich beyond belief. Cures famines and diseases. The animals of the world mess it up every chance they get. Don't deal with animals. You only become one when you have them around. Next time anyone gets the idea to kick things up again, I'm melting everyone's eyes. Maybe when everyone's blind, they can finally see killing each other is a bad idea. And forget the USA. I'm doing it.

yossarian1408 5y ago

Depends on what you think the objectives were. Did the USA want to add another star to the Star Spangled Banner? Then yeah, they lost. But if the objective of the USA was to prevent a domino of communism taking over all of South-East Asia, we can pretty clearly see where the advance of communism was stopped. And if an American and a North Vietnamese communist from 1955 could see into the future 70 years, taking a tour around Hanoi or Saigon, I don't know if either would be so certain on their verdict of who 'won' or 'lost'. It might have been the North, but it certainly wasn't the communists.

vmception 5y ago
I don't think anybody indoctrinated with marxist teachings is satisfied with any current or attempted version of communism. So in that regard I would agree, I still say its an impossible standard not used for other conflicts. Even the last massacre in China was because the protestors wanted to democratically have more communism instead of the liberalization of the markets and private ownership. That gets reduced to “students wanted democracy”, geopolitically it would have even been worse. (It is sad they were killed and that unity in that country relies on never mentioning it or any other strife)
afterburner 5y ago
> But if the objective of the USA was to prevent a domino of communism taking over all of South-East Asia, we can pretty clearly see where the advance of communism was stopped. But Communism flourished in Vietnam. So if you want to argue domino theory (which was wrong anyways), they certainly didn't stop the Vietnamese domino. So they didn't win in Vietnam.

steve76 5y ago

Soviet Union collapsed, right? China went free market. And with covid, I guess nature doesn't like senile murderers telling everyone what to do from far far away, under the threat of death by organ harvesting. The USA still has the rule of law. Marx, a European with a higher body count than any colonialist by the way, has no law. Barbaric animals, who will send you to the glue factory for a case of whiskey. The USA was there because of Pearl Harbor. That ended in a battle the size of the Pacific, the sinking of 30 Japanese aircraft carriers that we actually built for them, and atomic warfare. Stalin killed FDR, making him travel to Yalta and Tehran. Stole our bomb. Raped children. And tried to start WW3 every chance he got. Kruschev killed Kennedy. He did give that order for assassination. What horrible people. The New World bails everyone out. Gives everyone human rights and makes them rich beyond belief. Cures famines and diseases. The animals of the world mess it up every chance they get. Don't deal with animals. You only become one when you have them around. Next time anyone gets the idea to kick things up again, I'm melting everyone's eyes. Maybe when everyone's blind, they can finally see killing each other is a bad idea. And forget the USA. I'm doing it.