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> But surely “let’s knock off at three today and go down the pub, thanks for all the hard work” is a positive for most people? Definitely not. 1. I am not fon

by wott 5y ago

> But surely “let’s knock off at three today and go down the pub, thanks for all the hard work” is a positive for most people? Definitely not. 1. I am not fond of drinking with workmates. An occasional, incidental, one-on-one or not much more: OK. In groups ("teams"): no thanks, this isn't school, we are not students, so no pseudo school party. 2. I abhor having drinks with people who have any kind of hierarchical power upon me.

the_mar 5y ago
who hurt you? obviously don't get too drunk with coworkers, but do you know there is a way to have a drink or two and not turn it into a fraternity event
- ecpottinger 5y ago
  And there is a way not to drink at all, it is called saying "NO!". What makes you think I want to even have one drink of alcohol?
late2part 5y ago
There are people in this world who say "Don't trust a guy (or gal) who won't have a beer with you."
- ecpottinger 5y ago
  And those are the people I do not trust.
TuringNYC 5y ago
>> 2. I abhor having drinks with people who have any kind of hierarchical power upon me. Funny thing is the opposite isn't great either. I've seen a startup that likes doing this. Except all the decision-makers are in SF, not at the field office. So HH at the field office means none of the participants have any real power to see your passion, hear your ideas, or conversely for you to learn from their wisdom. It is still bonding for the team, but the team site is all terminal dead-end jobs.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Except all the decision-makers are in SF, not at the field office. So HH at the field office means none of the participants have any real power to see your passion, hear your ideas, or conversely for you to learn from their wisdom. My experience has been that the opportunity to actually learn from people’s wisdom has little to do with their heirarchical position, though the opportunity to suck up by making a show of “learning from their wisdom” might.
asdff 5y ago
You don't have to go to the pub. You can just say something like, "I better go home now and get ahead of the traffic, have a good time!" then proceed to find a new job if they actually give you flak from that.

by wott 5y ago

the_mar 5y ago

who hurt you? obviously don't get too drunk with coworkers, but do you know there is a way to have a drink or two and not turn it into a fraternity event

ecpottinger 5y ago
And there is a way not to drink at all, it is called saying "NO!". What makes you think I want to even have one drink of alcohol?

late2part 5y ago

There are people in this world who say "Don't trust a guy (or gal) who won't have a beer with you."

ecpottinger 5y ago
And those are the people I do not trust.

TuringNYC 5y ago

>> 2. I abhor having drinks with people who have any kind of hierarchical power upon me. Funny thing is the opposite isn't great either. I've seen a startup that likes doing this. Except all the decision-makers are in SF, not at the field office. So HH at the field office means none of the participants have any real power to see your passion, hear your ideas, or conversely for you to learn from their wisdom. It is still bonding for the team, but the team site is all terminal dead-end jobs.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Except all the decision-makers are in SF, not at the field office. So HH at the field office means none of the participants have any real power to see your passion, hear your ideas, or conversely for you to learn from their wisdom. My experience has been that the opportunity to actually learn from people’s wisdom has little to do with their heirarchical position, though the opportunity to suck up by making a show of “learning from their wisdom” might.

asdff 5y ago

You don't have to go to the pub. You can just say something like, "I better go home now and get ahead of the traffic, have a good time!" then proceed to find a new job if they actually give you flak from that.