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China, which intervened in the Korean War at the moment of North Korea's complete military collapse, has not been held to account for the horrific North Korean

China, which intervened in the Korean War at the moment of North Korea's complete military collapse, has not been held to account for the horrific North Korean regime it saved and still protects. China doesn't want a unified Korea and the North Korean people pay the price.

temp8964 5y ago
China fought in the Vietnam war too, just not as directly as the U.S. Without the U.S. supporting the south, the north will easily win with the full resource support from China. People who don't understand the historical context like to say the U.S. did not need to involve in the Vietnam civil war. This is simply wrong. If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw over government one after another, millions and millions more people will die in civil wars and communist cleansing. The world will look totally different today. Got downvoted on this. LOL.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw over government one after another, millions and millions more people will die in civil wars and communist cleansing." This sounds like the Domino Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory
  - temp8964 5y ago
    Chinese Communist government got involved in the communist evolutions in all the neighbor countries. And international communists did help each other in different countries to over throw legitimate government. Takeover the whole world was the goal of the international communists. Those are all facts, not a theory.
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- rudolfwinestock 5y ago
  To add to the above, as much as some people want to mock America's involvement in Vietnam, one must note that The Domino Theory (used to justify that involvement) came true. Granted, the worst case scenario did not happen (Australia was spared communist takeover), but what actually happened was horrific, nonetheless. Laos and Cambodia fell to communism, in part thanks to communist forces from Vietnam. And anyone who pulls the line of "independence from foreign domination" should have a talk with the grey hairs in your local Vietnamese neighborhood, here, in the States. They'll let you know how much people in South Vietnam wanted nothing to do with the tyrannical regime in the North. Furthermore, one cannot disparage South Vietnam as a puppet regime without also disparaging South Korea, Taiwan, or West Germany for that matter.
  - nguyenkien 5y ago
    Tell your neighbors come and talk with people from Mỹ Lai
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      There was a class divide with the educated in the south going through a french system asking for western support. I could see how different neighbourhoods would have different opinions. The richer more middle class or higher the more you wanted things to stay the same.
    - rudolfwinestock 5y ago
      Those responsible for what happened there received due process of law and were punished. Communists, on the other hand, either suppress or celebrate their own atrocities.
      - thereare5lights 5y ago
        > Those responsible for what happened there received due process of law and were punished. LOL The ONLY person that received ANY punishment was Calley, and he was sentenced to life only to serve three years of house arrest. "were punished" is a joke.
- Baeocystin 5y ago
  China was not on friendly terms with the north. They invaded Vietnam shortly after the Americans left, in response to Vietnam's actions in Cambodia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_W...
  - temp8964 5y ago
    Lol. That's later story. China supported north in the Vietnam war, is this even a question? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War
    - Baeocystin 5y ago
      No? My point is that Vietnam and China have a centuries-long history of antagonism; to take China's support of the North during the Vietnam War as anything other than realpolitik is to miss the greater context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Vietnam_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Vietnam_relation... FWIW, I agree with you regarding the dangers of communist purges- I lived in Laos in the late 70's/early 80's. I saw plenty of first-hand examples of what happens.
  - knz_ 5y ago
    This is some propaganda for sure. ho chi mihn was a political prisoner and figurehead of the CCP state, similar to kim il-sung. The vietmanese state has been an extension of the CCP since the 70s. This isn't up for debate, it's objective fact.
    - azernik 5y ago
      Except for the Vietnamese invasion of the Chinese satellite regime in Cambodia, and the literal shooting war between China and Vietnam immediately afterwards. The Sino-Soviet split was a Very Big Deal, and Vietnam was firmly on the Soviet side of that split.
- jeeeb 5y ago
  IIRC. It was primarily the USSR which backed the North Vietnamese. By the early 70’s the communist block had split between the USSR and China. Vietnam was USSR not Chinese ally. Not long after the end of the Vietnam war, China attacked Vietnam (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War) ostensibly as the Vietnamese had attacked Cambodia, by this stage supported by China (and the US) to dispose the Khmer Rouge. Suffice to say it went badly for the PLA and thanks to the Vietnamese the Khmer Rouge was ultimately disposed.
  - temp8964 5y ago
    Not really, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War
germandiago 5y ago
Noone wants a unified Korea, except Koreans. Japan is not interested in having such a powerful economic mix nearby and China the same. Noone wants. If someone wanted, it would be the Koreans only.
- mannerheim 5y ago
  I would assume Japan would rather have a powerful economic neighbour than a hostile nuclear one.

temp8964 5y ago

China fought in the Vietnam war too, just not as directly as the U.S. Without the U.S. supporting the south, the north will easily win with the full resource support from China. People who don't understand the historical context like to say the U.S. did not need to involve in the Vietnam civil war. This is simply wrong. If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw over government one after another, millions and millions more people will die in civil wars and communist cleansing. The world will look totally different today. Got downvoted on this. LOL.

pmoriarty 5y ago
"If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw over government one after another, millions and millions more people will die in civil wars and communist cleansing." This sounds like the Domino Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory
- temp8964 5y ago
  Chinese Communist government got involved in the communist evolutions in all the neighbor countries. And international communists did help each other in different countries to over throw legitimate government. Takeover the whole world was the goal of the international communists. Those are all facts, not a theory.
  - deleted 5y ago
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rudolfwinestock 5y ago
To add to the above, as much as some people want to mock America's involvement in Vietnam, one must note that The Domino Theory (used to justify that involvement) came true. Granted, the worst case scenario did not happen (Australia was spared communist takeover), but what actually happened was horrific, nonetheless. Laos and Cambodia fell to communism, in part thanks to communist forces from Vietnam. And anyone who pulls the line of "independence from foreign domination" should have a talk with the grey hairs in your local Vietnamese neighborhood, here, in the States. They'll let you know how much people in South Vietnam wanted nothing to do with the tyrannical regime in the North. Furthermore, one cannot disparage South Vietnam as a puppet regime without also disparaging South Korea, Taiwan, or West Germany for that matter.
- nguyenkien 5y ago
  Tell your neighbors come and talk with people from Mỹ Lai
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    There was a class divide with the educated in the south going through a french system asking for western support. I could see how different neighbourhoods would have different opinions. The richer more middle class or higher the more you wanted things to stay the same.
  - rudolfwinestock 5y ago
    Those responsible for what happened there received due process of law and were punished. Communists, on the other hand, either suppress or celebrate their own atrocities.
    - thereare5lights 5y ago
      > Those responsible for what happened there received due process of law and were punished. LOL The ONLY person that received ANY punishment was Calley, and he was sentenced to life only to serve three years of house arrest. "were punished" is a joke.
Baeocystin 5y ago
China was not on friendly terms with the north. They invaded Vietnam shortly after the Americans left, in response to Vietnam's actions in Cambodia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_W...
- temp8964 5y ago
  Lol. That's later story. China supported north in the Vietnam war, is this even a question? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War
  - Baeocystin 5y ago
    No? My point is that Vietnam and China have a centuries-long history of antagonism; to take China's support of the North during the Vietnam War as anything other than realpolitik is to miss the greater context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Vietnam_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Vietnam_relation... FWIW, I agree with you regarding the dangers of communist purges- I lived in Laos in the late 70's/early 80's. I saw plenty of first-hand examples of what happens.
- knz_ 5y ago
  This is some propaganda for sure. ho chi mihn was a political prisoner and figurehead of the CCP state, similar to kim il-sung. The vietmanese state has been an extension of the CCP since the 70s. This isn't up for debate, it's objective fact.
  - azernik 5y ago
    Except for the Vietnamese invasion of the Chinese satellite regime in Cambodia, and the literal shooting war between China and Vietnam immediately afterwards. The Sino-Soviet split was a Very Big Deal, and Vietnam was firmly on the Soviet side of that split.
jeeeb 5y ago
IIRC. It was primarily the USSR which backed the North Vietnamese. By the early 70’s the communist block had split between the USSR and China. Vietnam was USSR not Chinese ally. Not long after the end of the Vietnam war, China attacked Vietnam (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War) ostensibly as the Vietnamese had attacked Cambodia, by this stage supported by China (and the US) to dispose the Khmer Rouge. Suffice to say it went badly for the PLA and thanks to the Vietnamese the Khmer Rouge was ultimately disposed.
- temp8964 5y ago
  Not really, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War

germandiago 5y ago

Noone wants a unified Korea, except Koreans. Japan is not interested in having such a powerful economic mix nearby and China the same. Noone wants. If someone wanted, it would be the Koreans only.

mannerheim 5y ago
I would assume Japan would rather have a powerful economic neighbour than a hostile nuclear one.