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The point is to flex their power while still maintaining a veneer of deniability. Everyone knows what's going on, but their supporters will still use it as a pr
by jakelazaroff 5y ago
The point is to flex their power while still maintaining a veneer of deniability. Everyone knows what's going on, but their supporters will still use it as a pretext to argue that nothing is wrong.
It's the same reason Israel claims that every building they level in Gaza is a military target.
It's the same reason cops in the US cite noncompliance as a justification for violence.
It's the same reason Republicans allege voter fraud when they make laws to suppress millions of votes.
Authoritarians will never, ever, ever admit "we're dictators" or "this is about power". They will always have an excuse for it.
- reducesuffering 5y ago> It's the same reason Israel claims that every building they level in Gaza is a military target. Want to cite that counterclaim? Which innocent building was razed?
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- jrochkind1 5y ago> It's the same reason cops in the US cite noncompliance as a justification for violence. how about that one? Which person that doesn't deserve it has ever been the victim of police violence? Can you prove it?
- jasonwatkinspdx 5y agoImagine posting this on the anniversary of George Floyd's death.
- anders_p 5y agoJesus Christ you can't be serious? Have never heard about what happened during the Civil Rights movement? Try a web search for police violence. You will see hours upon hours of unprovoked violence by the US police. Your comment is quite frankly incredibly ignorant.
- 8note 5y agoI think there might have been a whoosh here, considering this was a reply to the "all buildings in Gaza are terrorists" comment.
- jrochkind1 5y agoYup. Equally offensive and ignorant. Why does one get this (justified if you thought I meant it) response but not the other? For asking for "proof of innocence" of people murdered by state violence.
- manquer 5y agoWell if assumption is gaza itself is military threat basically there are no innocent people or buildings there, so no evidence will suffice. It is extremely hard to believe that at least by accident that Israel has not bombed civilian target, harder still to believe that all the "Intel" they have is so accurate that they know exactly always which civilian buildings Hamas operates out of during the middle of a war. Extraordinary claims that not a single civilian target was bombed needs extraordinary proof .
- rat87 5y ago> Well if assumption is gaza itself is military threat basically there are no innocent people or buildings there, so no evidence will suffice. I don't think that Israel is claiming that, although some people might make such a stupid claim. >It is extremely hard to believe that at least by accident that Israel has not bombed civilian target, harder still to believe that all the "Intel" they have is so accurate that they know exactly always which civilian buildings Hamas operates out of during the middle of a war. That seems sadly quite possible and hard to verify either way. Also my guess would be that most of the intel was gathered prior to the war.
- manquer 5y agoPrecisely because most of the Intel was gathered before the war it could be inaccurate don't you think ? Is it not likely any quasi military organization would move things around once war actually starts ?
- beprogrammed 5y ago"It's the same reason cops in the US cite noncompliance as a justification for violence." That's a misunderstanding, if you act like a buffoon the police are required to treat you as one. There not dictators, just blue collar workers doing there jobs.
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- jakelazaroff 5y agoThis is the exact thin justification I’m talking about. “Acting like a buffoon” is not an acceptable reason for physical violence.
- anders_p 5y agoThat's just a ridiculous statement. There's hours of video online of American police screaming "stop resisting arrest!", while beating civilians senseless. It's quite clearly a tactic employed by a lot of them to create plausible deniability of their appalling behavior.
- beprogrammed 5y agoJust goes to show what a distorted view of the world you get when watching through the lens of the media. Selection bias, you see the videos that outrage you the most well you don't see the day to day reality. Police don't beat calm sensible people, they beat the kind of people who are out there resisting arrest.
- mhoad 5y agoThe lack of critical thinking combined with the unearned confidence of this comment is really something.