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I know I will be downvoted to oblivion., Rather than Twitter I would rather have the public discourse which is guarded by Indian Govt/ Judiciary, parliament and

by boruto 5y ago

I know I will be downvoted to oblivion., Rather than Twitter I would rather have the public discourse which is guarded by Indian Govt/ Judiciary, parliament and media irrespective of the spectrum to which they have a bias. If tomorrow, I say something religious in nature, would such a thing be banned by some person in California who decides it is not rational thought?

monkey_monkey 5y ago
Better to be banned by Twitter than be imprisoned by the Indian government, surely?
- boruto 5y ago
  I still believe rule of law exists in India. I would also revolt the moment something otherwise happens to it.
  - monkey_monkey 5y ago
    Best get your revolutionary trousers on then... https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/15/india-activists-detained-peaceful-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/15/india-activists-detained... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-modi-dissent/2021/02/17/b6ab6ec8-7059-11eb-8651-6d3091eac63f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-modi... https://theprint.in/opinion/indians-regret-silence-modi-political-prisoners/470594/ https://theprint.in/opinion/indians-regret-silence-modi-poli...
    - boruto 5y ago
      What makes you think I don't speak up against it or wont vote against it? The three links you posted don't require me to take up arms :) 1) It is a regrettable event in which courts have did the right thing. 2) Sorry, I cannot read it. 3) It is an opinion column in an online publication.
      - monkey_monkey 5y ago
        I really have no idea if you have or haven't. I was just responding to your assertion that you would "revolt the moment something otherwise happens to it". - https://www.ft.com/content/de6c9ce7-35d9-489b-be59-02f7dbfb1a19 https://www.ft.com/content/de6c9ce7-35d9-489b-be59-02f7dbfb1... - https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/india-narendra-modi-criminalization-dissent-democracy https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/india-narendra-modi-criminali... - https://www.newframe.com/extreme-hindu-nationalists-smother-dissent-in-india/ https://www.newframe.com/extreme-hindu-nationalists-smother-... - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/uttar-pradesh-india-activists-false-arrest-torture-custody-citizenship-amendment-act https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/uttar-pradesh-... - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/indias-political-prisoners-encounter-deaths-as-covid-rages https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/indias-political-pr... - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/bloody-mary/have-a-dialogue-with-young-dissenters-dont-jail-them/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/bloody-mary/have-a... Anyway, if you wanted to, you'll find hundreds of links on Google. Have a nice evening.
        boruto 5y ago
        Well this thread is not really interesting, But those three links you posted do not show there is no rule of law in India. Nor do I believe that to be the case currently.
        random314 5y ago
        Can you explain how elected legislators from kashmir were arrested without charges for a year when Kashmir's government lost its status as a democracy?
jdauriemma 5y ago
You're touching on an important point, which is that users are essentially powerless in these online platforms. They are authoritarian entities whose interests align with users only incidentally, if at all. I do not think the state is better, as the state is generally captured by commercial interests anyhow.
- boruto 5y ago
  I do not just mention the state, While a specific Govt may get sold out to vested interests, I completely believe judiciary, constitution(Voting rights) and media are stable enough to create checks and balances. I have seen this in my country in the past fifteen years.
  - jdauriemma 5y ago
    Yeah but they still don't have a stake in the way that users do. Shouldn't the users have an ownership interest since their contributions are a necessary condition for the continued existence of those platforms?
    - boruto 5y ago
      What sort of ownership interest do you mean? I always thought entertainment and audience to promote your personal brand is what you get in return.
      - jdauriemma 5y ago
        Users perform labor for Facebook every time they post, comment, or like. That labor produces real, material value for Facebook. The compensation for that labor rightfully must be negotiated with those who did that productive work. IMO the only just competition is in a material form, including users having the prerogative to vote for a certain number of seats on the Board of Directors.
michaelmrose 5y ago
Since censorship is almost certain be implemented by just not showing content that is banned in the countries where it is banned rather than an American company allowing the Indian government dictate what it can show Americans what do you do if Indians realize they need a vpn to get the whole picture and start bypassing government restrictions.

by boruto 5y ago

monkey_monkey 5y ago

Better to be banned by Twitter than be imprisoned by the Indian government, surely?

boruto 5y ago
I still believe rule of law exists in India. I would also revolt the moment something otherwise happens to it.
- monkey_monkey 5y ago
  Best get your revolutionary trousers on then... https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/15/india-activists-detained-peaceful-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/15/india-activists-detained... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-modi-dissent/2021/02/17/b6ab6ec8-7059-11eb-8651-6d3091eac63f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-modi... https://theprint.in/opinion/indians-regret-silence-modi-political-prisoners/470594/ https://theprint.in/opinion/indians-regret-silence-modi-poli...
  - boruto 5y ago
    What makes you think I don't speak up against it or wont vote against it? The three links you posted don't require me to take up arms :) 1) It is a regrettable event in which courts have did the right thing. 2) Sorry, I cannot read it. 3) It is an opinion column in an online publication.
    - monkey_monkey 5y ago
      I really have no idea if you have or haven't. I was just responding to your assertion that you would "revolt the moment something otherwise happens to it". - https://www.ft.com/content/de6c9ce7-35d9-489b-be59-02f7dbfb1a19 https://www.ft.com/content/de6c9ce7-35d9-489b-be59-02f7dbfb1... - https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/india-narendra-modi-criminalization-dissent-democracy https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/india-narendra-modi-criminali... - https://www.newframe.com/extreme-hindu-nationalists-smother-dissent-in-india/ https://www.newframe.com/extreme-hindu-nationalists-smother-... - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/uttar-pradesh-india-activists-false-arrest-torture-custody-citizenship-amendment-act https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/uttar-pradesh-... - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/indias-political-prisoners-encounter-deaths-as-covid-rages https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/indias-political-pr... - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/bloody-mary/have-a-dialogue-with-young-dissenters-dont-jail-them/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/bloody-mary/have-a... Anyway, if you wanted to, you'll find hundreds of links on Google. Have a nice evening.
      - boruto 5y ago
        Well this thread is not really interesting, But those three links you posted do not show there is no rule of law in India. Nor do I believe that to be the case currently.
        random314 5y ago
        Can you explain how elected legislators from kashmir were arrested without charges for a year when Kashmir's government lost its status as a democracy?

jdauriemma 5y ago

You're touching on an important point, which is that users are essentially powerless in these online platforms. They are authoritarian entities whose interests align with users only incidentally, if at all. I do not think the state is better, as the state is generally captured by commercial interests anyhow.

boruto 5y ago
I do not just mention the state, While a specific Govt may get sold out to vested interests, I completely believe judiciary, constitution(Voting rights) and media are stable enough to create checks and balances. I have seen this in my country in the past fifteen years.
- jdauriemma 5y ago
  Yeah but they still don't have a stake in the way that users do. Shouldn't the users have an ownership interest since their contributions are a necessary condition for the continued existence of those platforms?
  - boruto 5y ago
    What sort of ownership interest do you mean? I always thought entertainment and audience to promote your personal brand is what you get in return.
    - jdauriemma 5y ago
      Users perform labor for Facebook every time they post, comment, or like. That labor produces real, material value for Facebook. The compensation for that labor rightfully must be negotiated with those who did that productive work. IMO the only just competition is in a material form, including users having the prerogative to vote for a certain number of seats on the Board of Directors.

michaelmrose 5y ago

Since censorship is almost certain be implemented by just not showing content that is banned in the countries where it is banned rather than an American company allowing the Indian government dictate what it can show Americans what do you do if Indians realize they need a vpn to get the whole picture and start bypassing government restrictions.