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Sources are in Russian. Russian separatists told shortly after the incident: "В районе Тореза только что сбили самолет Ан-26, валяется где-то за шахтой Прогрес

by drran 5y ago

Sources are in Russian. Russian separatists told shortly after the incident: "В районе Тореза только что сбили самолет Ан-26, валяется где-то за шахтой Прогресс. Предупреждали же - не летать в "нашем небе". А вот и видео-подтверждение очередного "птичкопада". Птичка упала за террикон, жилой сектор не зацепила. Мирные люди не пострадали. А также еще есть информация о втором сбитом самолете, вроде бы Су", - говорится в сообщении Стрелкова. "In the area of Torez, an An-26 plane has just been shot down, lying somewhere behind the Progress mine. We warned not to fly in our sky. And here is a video confirmation of the next birdfall. Civilians were not injured. And there is also information about the second downed plane, like Su, "- said in the message of Strelkov.

baybal2 5y ago
Also https://youtu.be/_rbzlMeGToI?t=83 https://youtu.be/_rbzlMeGToI?t=83 the "Cossack" referred in other tapes as a unit commander to whom the battery belonged pretty much says "and so? fuck them, we'll say they are spies, it's war" It's surprising to see it being 7 years since, and there are still people from the West still dead convinced in finding "alternative facts." There is one, and only ground truth. A battery had an order to "shoot everything that flies," and that's what they did within hours of the order.
- sofixa 5y ago
  What? Look at the transcript again, they're wondering why it's a civilian plane and not an An-26, and thinking of a way to deal with that...
  - baybal2 5y ago
    He is not looking for a way to "deal with it," he very well knows what's going on, and aware of the order, and tell the caller to fuck off. There is no "alternative facts" there. An order to shoot everything that flies, and they did it. There are hours, and hours of Ukrainian intercepts, probably listened by every Western intelligence agency 100 times over. If that doesn't seal the deal, it's for people who fully willingly choosing to believe in a lie for sake of playing a cause celebre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#:~:text=In%20political%20jargon%2C%20a%20useful,used%20by%20the%20cause's%20leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#:~:text=In%20poli.... Ukrainians blew their extremely valuable intercept source to bring this to attention of the world. Now, seven year later, EU keeps soiling their pants, and still can't gather enough courage to point a finger on Russia. They are trying their hardest to pretend that they don't know what's going on. Even if the shutdown was genuinely inadvertent, it would still be a cause for an immediate retaliation to any normal country.
    - ddalex 5y ago
      > EU keeps soiling their pants, and still can't gather enough courage to point a finger on Russia https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367425 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367425 https://www.rferl.org/a/dutch-court-rejects-request-to-investigate-alternative-mh17-crash-scenarios/30968853.html https://www.rferl.org/a/dutch-court-rejects-request-to-inves... I don't think that EU doesn't keep its finger pointed to Russia. Russia is heavily sanctioned already, what do you expect EU to do, invade them ?
sofixa 5y ago
And that source confirms the official version? They didn't have orders to shoot down anything, they had orders to shoot down anything of the Ukrainian military. An-26 is a military cargo plane, a legitimate target in their eyes. Why on earth would they shoot down neutral civilian airliners, of which there were many?

by drran 5y ago

baybal2 5y ago

Also https://youtu.be/_rbzlMeGToI?t=83 https://youtu.be/_rbzlMeGToI?t=83 the "Cossack" referred in other tapes as a unit commander to whom the battery belonged pretty much says "and so? fuck them, we'll say they are spies, it's war" It's surprising to see it being 7 years since, and there are still people from the West still dead convinced in finding "alternative facts." There is one, and only ground truth. A battery had an order to "shoot everything that flies," and that's what they did within hours of the order.

sofixa 5y ago
What? Look at the transcript again, they're wondering why it's a civilian plane and not an An-26, and thinking of a way to deal with that...
- baybal2 5y ago
  He is not looking for a way to "deal with it," he very well knows what's going on, and aware of the order, and tell the caller to fuck off. There is no "alternative facts" there. An order to shoot everything that flies, and they did it. There are hours, and hours of Ukrainian intercepts, probably listened by every Western intelligence agency 100 times over. If that doesn't seal the deal, it's for people who fully willingly choosing to believe in a lie for sake of playing a cause celebre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#:~:text=In%20political%20jargon%2C%20a%20useful,used%20by%20the%20cause's%20leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot#:~:text=In%20poli.... Ukrainians blew their extremely valuable intercept source to bring this to attention of the world. Now, seven year later, EU keeps soiling their pants, and still can't gather enough courage to point a finger on Russia. They are trying their hardest to pretend that they don't know what's going on. Even if the shutdown was genuinely inadvertent, it would still be a cause for an immediate retaliation to any normal country.
  - ddalex 5y ago
    > EU keeps soiling their pants, and still can't gather enough courage to point a finger on Russia https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367425 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367425 https://www.rferl.org/a/dutch-court-rejects-request-to-investigate-alternative-mh17-crash-scenarios/30968853.html https://www.rferl.org/a/dutch-court-rejects-request-to-inves... I don't think that EU doesn't keep its finger pointed to Russia. Russia is heavily sanctioned already, what do you expect EU to do, invade them ?

sofixa 5y ago

And that source confirms the official version? They didn't have orders to shoot down anything, they had orders to shoot down anything of the Ukrainian military. An-26 is a military cargo plane, a legitimate target in their eyes. Why on earth would they shoot down neutral civilian airliners, of which there were many?