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There is one thing I would like to expand upon in what you said: > Apple is afraid of giving users the choice, as much as that large apps that people use will

There is one thing I would like to expand upon in what you said: > Apple is afraid of giving users the choice, as much as that large apps that people use will force users to make the choice for them. That assumes that users have no choice but keep using the side loaded software. But that's not true. People could just stop using Facebook entirely. I guess the majority wouldn't, but the choice is there at least. In regards to privacy, I agree with Apple's stance. But what about other areas? I don't want one single company dictating what I can or can't use on my device.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
"People could just stop using Facebook entirely." If people are still using Facebook, today, knowing all that has happened, the odds are most people will continue using it though one can dream. I would honestly expect 90%+ of Facebook users to sideload if Facebook required it. "But what about other areas? I don't want one single company dictating what I can or can't use on my device." If you told this to an Apple Engineer, he'd look at you in the eye and tell you that the iPhone isn't for you and to buy an Android. You have that choice. The iPhone doesn't fit your use case and Apple isn't interested in making it fit your use case.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  > If you told this to an Apple Engineer, he'd look at you in the eye and tell you that the iPhone isn't for you and to buy an Android. Easy solution for Apple then: stop selling things labelled as "pro". I was already burned when I bought the 16 inch Macbook Pro, which was a shockingly incapable and undocumented device. Lenovo provides better documentation on their entry level laptops than Apple provides for their Pros, despite the order of magnitude difference in price between both devices. So to the "Apple Engineer" out there, I'd encourage you give people the choice anyways. In other words, North Korea doesn't justify their atrocities by telling the rest of the world that their culture "isn't for them". Apple is no less accountable for their own product line, particularly when they're some of the most profitable electronic hardware being manufactured right now.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Comparing North Korea, a government, with a public company in a free society makes no sense and disrespects the real atrocities the North Korean people are experiencing, because you are comparing their suffering to problems you have with your laptop, which is appalling. As for the term "pro" - nobody agrees what "pro" means. An art designer might do professional work on a MacBook Air, even though you wouldn't call that a "pro" machine. Although you might not like the terminology, you should have been able to research and know what you were getting, and it still absolutely does not bear the comparison to North Korea. First world problems compared to third world tyranny.
  - bardworx 5y ago
    You just compared a company that sells a product to an autocratic regime… That’s, a bit of a stretch.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > Easy solution for Apple then: stop selling things labelled as "pro". Easy solution for you: Accept that its not for you, even if you think you're "pro". Its just a word for marketing. You're the one with a problem in search of solution, apple is not.
- slantyyz 5y ago
  > If people are still using Facebook, today, knowing all that has happened, the odds are most people will continue using it though one can dream. I would honestly expect 90%+ of Facebook users to sideload if Facebook required it. Why sideload when you can simply open it up in any mobile browser?
- arvinsim 5y ago
  > If you told this to an Apple Engineer, he'd look at you in the eye and tell you that the iPhone isn't for you and to buy an Android. You have that choice. The iPhone doesn't fit your use case and Apple isn't interested in making it fit your use case. See top comment
handrous 5y ago
Right now: I can (I don't, but I could) use Facebook on iOS devices without giving them access to a bunch of stuff they'd love to have access to, or letting them do things I'd rather they not. Or I can choose not to use it. Your vision: I can choose not to use Facebook on my iOS devices, or else use it but let FB have access to and/or do a bunch of stuff I don't want them to. How's the latter something I'd prefer to the former? All it gives me is a worse version of the same to choices from the first one.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

"People could just stop using Facebook entirely." If people are still using Facebook, today, knowing all that has happened, the odds are most people will continue using it though one can dream. I would honestly expect 90%+ of Facebook users to sideload if Facebook required it. "But what about other areas? I don't want one single company dictating what I can or can't use on my device." If you told this to an Apple Engineer, he'd look at you in the eye and tell you that the iPhone isn't for you and to buy an Android. You have that choice. The iPhone doesn't fit your use case and Apple isn't interested in making it fit your use case.

smoldesu 5y ago
> If you told this to an Apple Engineer, he'd look at you in the eye and tell you that the iPhone isn't for you and to buy an Android. Easy solution for Apple then: stop selling things labelled as "pro". I was already burned when I bought the 16 inch Macbook Pro, which was a shockingly incapable and undocumented device. Lenovo provides better documentation on their entry level laptops than Apple provides for their Pros, despite the order of magnitude difference in price between both devices. So to the "Apple Engineer" out there, I'd encourage you give people the choice anyways. In other words, North Korea doesn't justify their atrocities by telling the rest of the world that their culture "isn't for them". Apple is no less accountable for their own product line, particularly when they're some of the most profitable electronic hardware being manufactured right now.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Comparing North Korea, a government, with a public company in a free society makes no sense and disrespects the real atrocities the North Korean people are experiencing, because you are comparing their suffering to problems you have with your laptop, which is appalling. As for the term "pro" - nobody agrees what "pro" means. An art designer might do professional work on a MacBook Air, even though you wouldn't call that a "pro" machine. Although you might not like the terminology, you should have been able to research and know what you were getting, and it still absolutely does not bear the comparison to North Korea. First world problems compared to third world tyranny.
- bardworx 5y ago
  You just compared a company that sells a product to an autocratic regime… That’s, a bit of a stretch.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > Easy solution for Apple then: stop selling things labelled as "pro". Easy solution for you: Accept that its not for you, even if you think you're "pro". Its just a word for marketing. You're the one with a problem in search of solution, apple is not.
slantyyz 5y ago
> If people are still using Facebook, today, knowing all that has happened, the odds are most people will continue using it though one can dream. I would honestly expect 90%+ of Facebook users to sideload if Facebook required it. Why sideload when you can simply open it up in any mobile browser?
arvinsim 5y ago
> If you told this to an Apple Engineer, he'd look at you in the eye and tell you that the iPhone isn't for you and to buy an Android. You have that choice. The iPhone doesn't fit your use case and Apple isn't interested in making it fit your use case. See top comment

handrous 5y ago

Right now: I can (I don't, but I could) use Facebook on iOS devices without giving them access to a bunch of stuff they'd love to have access to, or letting them do things I'd rather they not. Or I can choose not to use it. Your vision: I can choose not to use Facebook on my iOS devices, or else use it but let FB have access to and/or do a bunch of stuff I don't want them to. How's the latter something I'd prefer to the former? All it gives me is a worse version of the same to choices from the first one.