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Wasn't this "recommendation" accompanied by a fighter jet? That isn't exact a Milgram scenario.

by xibalba 5y ago

balozi 5y ago
Is there any indication that the pilots were aware of the military jet?
- publicola1990 5y ago
  Is there even a credible report of it being accompanied by a military jet? The reports I have seen are all sketchy on that part.
  - estaseuropano 5y ago
    I think what you are doing ia astroturfing but just in case anyone believes this bullshit, there is zero doubt that a fighter jet went up and 'escorted' the plane. https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-edcf633281e3e9a55b2d994b96eb029b https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-edcf633281e3e9a55b... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/05/belarus-journalist-apprehended-in-minsk-airport-after-emergency-landing-must-be-released-immediately/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/05/belarus-journ... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-23/belarus-detains-reporter-on-ryanair-flight-forced-down-in-minsk https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-23/belarus-d... In case of any doubt left, here is an official sanction decision on this signed by 27 countries: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/05/24/belarus-declaration-by-the-high-representative-on-behalf-of-the-eu-on-the-forced-diversion-of-ryanair-flight-fr4978-to-minsk-on-23-may-2021/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021...
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.
      - Symbiote 5y ago
        What really degrades the discussion is completely uninformed people joining in with lazy statements. Estaseuropano should have read a news article rather than ask a useless (at best) question.
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        Both degrade the discussion :)
  - topspin 5y ago
    TASS reported it thus: MINSK, May 23. /TASS/. Belarus’ defense ministry has confirmed that a MiG-29 fighter jet was scrambled on Sunday to escort the Ryanair passenger plane that made emergency landing at Minsk’s airport. "After the polit[sic] of this civil aircraft (the Ryanair plane - TASS) decided to land at an alternate airport (Minsk-2) and turned the plane towards Minsk, it was decided to scramble a MiG-29 crew on duty from the Baranovichi airport (Brest region)," the ministry said on its Telegram channel, citing Andrei Gurtsevich, chief of the air operations and first deputy commander of Belarus air and air defense forces. https://tass.com/world/1292845 https://tass.com/world/1292845 That's a Russian state controlled 'news' agency reporting on the events of an ally.
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- wearywanderer 5y ago
  Are you for real? When a fighter jet intercepts you, you damn well know it. That's the whole point of fighter jets intercepting planes; they are impossible for pilots to ignore.
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- zokier 5y ago
  Assuming the transcript is genuine and reasonably complete, then I would be surprised if captain would have been aware of their escort (if it existed), at least before making the decision to divert to Minsk. Feels like it is something that would have come up in the communication. Also, sky is pretty big, and a MiG-29 has no problem tracking and following a fat passenger jet at a distance. Most likely only way pilot could have noticed the MiG would have been if the MiG would have intentionally made itself seen, i.e. flying very close by.
  - SahAssar 5y ago
    Fighters can optionally turn on the same transponders (but with different identifiers) as normal civilian aircraft, right? It's not impossible for it to have been intentionally showing it's presence without flying close.

Wasn't this "recommendation" accompanied by a fighter jet? That isn't exact a Milgram scenario.

balozi 5y ago

Is there any indication that the pilots were aware of the military jet?

publicola1990 5y ago
Is there even a credible report of it being accompanied by a military jet? The reports I have seen are all sketchy on that part.
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  I think what you are doing ia astroturfing but just in case anyone believes this bullshit, there is zero doubt that a fighter jet went up and 'escorted' the plane. https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-edcf633281e3e9a55b2d994b96eb029b https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-edcf633281e3e9a55b... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/05/belarus-journalist-apprehended-in-minsk-airport-after-emergency-landing-must-be-released-immediately/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/05/belarus-journ... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-23/belarus-detains-reporter-on-ryanair-flight-forced-down-in-minsk https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-23/belarus-d... In case of any doubt left, here is an official sanction decision on this signed by 27 countries: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/05/24/belarus-declaration-by-the-high-representative-on-behalf-of-the-eu-on-the-forced-diversion-of-ryanair-flight-fr4978-to-minsk-on-23-may-2021/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021...
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.
    - Symbiote 5y ago
      What really degrades the discussion is completely uninformed people joining in with lazy statements. Estaseuropano should have read a news article rather than ask a useless (at best) question.
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        Both degrade the discussion :)
- topspin 5y ago
  TASS reported it thus: MINSK, May 23. /TASS/. Belarus’ defense ministry has confirmed that a MiG-29 fighter jet was scrambled on Sunday to escort the Ryanair passenger plane that made emergency landing at Minsk’s airport. "After the polit[sic] of this civil aircraft (the Ryanair plane - TASS) decided to land at an alternate airport (Minsk-2) and turned the plane towards Minsk, it was decided to scramble a MiG-29 crew on duty from the Baranovichi airport (Brest region)," the ministry said on its Telegram channel, citing Andrei Gurtsevich, chief of the air operations and first deputy commander of Belarus air and air defense forces. https://tass.com/world/1292845 https://tass.com/world/1292845 That's a Russian state controlled 'news' agency reporting on the events of an ally.
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wearywanderer 5y ago
Are you for real? When a fighter jet intercepts you, you damn well know it. That's the whole point of fighter jets intercepting planes; they are impossible for pilots to ignore.
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zokier 5y ago
Assuming the transcript is genuine and reasonably complete, then I would be surprised if captain would have been aware of their escort (if it existed), at least before making the decision to divert to Minsk. Feels like it is something that would have come up in the communication. Also, sky is pretty big, and a MiG-29 has no problem tracking and following a fat passenger jet at a distance. Most likely only way pilot could have noticed the MiG would have been if the MiG would have intentionally made itself seen, i.e. flying very close by.
- SahAssar 5y ago
  Fighters can optionally turn on the same transponders (but with different identifiers) as normal civilian aircraft, right? It's not impossible for it to have been intentionally showing it's presence without flying close.