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I love my iPhone and solidly side with Apple in this case, and have ditched Spotify due to their spiteful position. Fuck Epic. Still, I totally agree with this

by nxc18 5y ago

I love my iPhone and solidly side with Apple in this case, and have ditched Spotify due to their spiteful position. Fuck Epic. Still, I totally agree with this: > What I wish would happen — and yes, I know this is naive and stupid and probably fruitless — is that Apple would just give the slightest bit of ground. They could have bought a lot of good will if they just changed their fee model slightly for subscription and purchasing apps. It is totally reasonable to require that app subscriptions are done in store, but for services like Spotify, Kindle, etc, there should be options to buy in app. Apple could even require that they process transactions, but just not take a cut. App store-based subcriptions add a lot of value, enough to justify a small premium. As a consumer, I like having one place to go to cancel my subscriptions. I don’t have to worry about being tricked into an auto-renewal. I don’t see a problem getting rid of anti-steering if the fee is reduced; my time is valuable enough that I’m not going to jump through hoops to save 10%, and I suspect that is true for much of Apple’s customers (I’m told day after day that iPhones are just for rich, elitist people, despite TCO often being lower than Android).

simion314 5y ago
I think Apple could done something like " any application that has payments should offer an Apple Pay option" but not force prices for outside the store or other payment methods or only Apple pay. With this scheme Apple Pay fans can use it for everything.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Besides the profit apple makes, there are other reasons they require apple pay... my partner used to work as an apple care agent and tons of people would call in saying apple apps took their money (but they were actually just random 3rd parties from app store). Apple is able to give them their money back. These callers can't distinguish between apple and a third party app. Sometimes even from big names like uber or facebook. Apple is doing what they can to uphold their reputation (and yes, profit).
  - simion314 5y ago
    I understand Apple is proud that 2 years old children can use a tablet but this is not a valid reason to for example remove all text from the OS because 2 years old can't read. Apple needs to do that work to create UI/UX that can server all the users, maybe even offer customization and options for competent adults. Using this kind of "think of grandma" reasoning will just lead you in removing every feature, like remove the "delete file" option from the Macs because grandma deleted something( the correct solution is to maybe pout a good confirmation box or some undo deletion/backups not screwing 99% for the 1% though let's be honest this is all about money)

by nxc18 5y ago

simion314 5y ago

I think Apple could done something like " any application that has payments should offer an Apple Pay option" but not force prices for outside the store or other payment methods or only Apple pay. With this scheme Apple Pay fans can use it for everything.

vineyardmike 5y ago
Besides the profit apple makes, there are other reasons they require apple pay... my partner used to work as an apple care agent and tons of people would call in saying apple apps took their money (but they were actually just random 3rd parties from app store). Apple is able to give them their money back. These callers can't distinguish between apple and a third party app. Sometimes even from big names like uber or facebook. Apple is doing what they can to uphold their reputation (and yes, profit).
- simion314 5y ago
  I understand Apple is proud that 2 years old children can use a tablet but this is not a valid reason to for example remove all text from the OS because 2 years old can't read. Apple needs to do that work to create UI/UX that can server all the users, maybe even offer customization and options for competent adults. Using this kind of "think of grandma" reasoning will just lead you in removing every feature, like remove the "delete file" option from the Macs because grandma deleted something( the correct solution is to maybe pout a good confirmation box or some undo deletion/backups not screwing 99% for the 1% though let's be honest this is all about money)